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These are Jerry Layne (24)'s second and third ejections of 2013.
Jerry Layne now has 8 points in the UEFL (4 + 4 MLB + 0 Irrecusable = 8).
Crew Chief Jerry Layne now has 8 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (6 + 2 Irrecusable Call = 8).
These are the 140th and 141st ejections of the 2013 MLB season.
This is the 63rd player ejection of 2013. Prior to ejection, Murphy was 2-4 in the contest.
This is the 67th Manager ejection of 2013.
This is the Mets' 5th/6th ejection of 2013, 3rd in the NL East (WAS 8; ATL 7; NYM 6; PHI 4; MIA 2).
This is Daniel Murphy's 1st ejection of 2013 and first since August 19, 2012 (Jordan Baker; QOC = Incorrect).
This is Terry Collins' 3rd ejection of 2013 and first since May 28, 2013 (Adrian Johnson; QOC = Correct).
This is Jerry Layne's first ejection since July 30, 2013 (Mike Scioscia; QOC = Correct).
Wrap: Atlanta Braves vs. New York Mets, 8/21/13
Video: Freddie Freeman beats the throw at first base, producing an argument and setting up the HR (ATL)
Video: As Johnson hits a go-ahead home run, Murphy pins the blame on Layne and is thrown away (ATL)
Video: As Atlanta celebrates, New York collapses; broadcasters incorrectly deem Layne's call "bad" (NYM)
I was watching the Mets feed of the game, and their slow mo replay angle, which the Braves either didn't have or didn't show, showed that Freeman was out by a hair, the way I saw it.
ReplyDeleteBut ultimately, it doesn't matter. It was a very close play, the call was made. Jerry Layne didn't give up the 3 run HR to Chris Johnson. Murphy showed his frustration and got tossed, and Collins stuck up for his player.
You've got this one wrong. The replay on the Mets feed showed that the batter should have been out --- barely.
ReplyDeleteBut ultimately the blame on this one falls upon Greg Burke for serving up the home run on the first pitch.
Challenge. He's out. You just have to find the Mets feed.
ReplyDeleteJim Powell and Don Sutton on Braves radio seemed to indicate that the call was very close, with Freeman possibly out by a hair - but still a call you can't blame on the umpire. Also, Jim Powell visited the Mets radio booth and their guys told Powell that if Satin had stretched like Freeman does on defense that the Mets get the call.
ReplyDeleteIn re: 140 Layne 2;
ReplyDeleteThis challenge has been summarily denied. UEFL Rule 6-2-b-5-b governs repeat visit ejections; as the play was previously argued by virtue of the manager leaving the dugout, the ejection is deemed Unsportsmanlike-NEC pursuant to Rule 6-2-b-5. DiMuro Rule.
Certiorari denied as this is a textbook case of the DiMuro rule.
This one seems just as inconclusive as Ejection #130 that the appeals board upheld. They deferred to the original call as there was no clear evidence to the contrary (even though "Inconclusive" would have been the correct call there). I would have to think this would be considered the same.
ReplyDeleteBS. This is a game-changing call and should be exempted. Let the damn board look at this.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the difference? Inconclusive reverts to a correct call, no matter how the umpire calls it?
ReplyDeleteGlad that I DVR'd this game. I'm an avid Mets fan, so I'll abstain from judgment. But there's the picture.
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I could be way off, but I'm betting that Collins told Layne that he was going to turn away and throw his hat, and asked him to run him as soon as he did. Judging by Layne's reaction to the whole thing and Collins' general demeanor it wouldn't surprise me.
ReplyDeleteTed Barrett has just ejected Jose Reyes arguing balls and strikes
ReplyDeleteAgain...another call that is a tie. Ties go to the umpire. Make a good play defensively and you get the out call at first. Fumble the ball, and the runner is safe. It is Umpiring 101.
ReplyDeleteBy all means throw out the rule book because it involves a New York team. I mean, it's not like we voted for this rule during the Rules Summit or anything, precisely for this type of a situation...
ReplyDeleteWe have a foot an inch off the base and a glove that hasn't yet squeezed, is still open. That's pretty much a dead heat. Ball didn't beat him, so he can't be out. Simple as that.
ReplyDeleteI'll defer to the video. Close [about as close as you can get], but he's out by a hair.
ReplyDeleteNo one fumbled any ball on this play.
ReplyDeleteLook at the picture below. Look at where his head is in the picture above. Look at Satin's glove. OUT. You can keep your reasoning the same, but I am challenging the validity of the call. The description should read that the call was incorrect.
ReplyDeleteThat's a silly comment by whomever said it. Josh Satin isn't 6'6 like Freddie Freeman, he stretched as far as he can on that play without taking his foot off the bag. Not sure what else they expect him to do.
ReplyDeleteSo hypothetically if Collins got tossed immediately after the call, you would have voted to overturn the QOC?
ReplyDeleteWe need sound on bang bang plays at first that's how the umpires call it . Foot glove safe , glove foot out.
ReplyDeleteImmediately after? Yes.
ReplyDeleteAs the play proceeded? Textbook case of the DiMuro Rule. I would have confirmed.
According to announcers Freeman was out.
ReplyDeleteYou're right on, Zac.
ReplyDeleteUsually would discount this, but Gary Cohen and Keith Hernandez are very fair to umpires. Brian Kenny, John Hart and Dan Plesac all agreed that he was out, too.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be surprised. The timing was great and the motion to eject was nice and easy - I'm not great at reading lips and wasn't terribly focused on trying, so I'll express my doubts that Terry was even talking about the call at first prior to being run.
ReplyDeletehttp://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29931217&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_manager_postgame
ReplyDeleteThe 25 second mark of this video shows the ball entering the glove before Freeman's foot hit the bag. The ejections were valid, but Layne did get the call wrong.
Good call by Jerry Layne!! Keep adding those + points for my tally!!
ReplyDeleteOh, it must have been a different Mets pitcher that knocked it off his glove, then had to chase it down
ReplyDelete"slow mo replay angle down the first base line"...enough said.
ReplyDeleteTwo things mattered: Jerry's angle, in real time.
When does he actually eject Daniel Murphy?
ReplyDeleteAfter the BR rounds first [after the Collins argument]. Still would be considered 2 + 0 under the DiMuro rule.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and Jerry got it wrong...in real time.
ReplyDeleteTo quote my man Wally Backman, this is horseshit. For a website dedicated to getting things right, you have this COMPLETELY wrong.
ReplyDeleteTed Barrett just made another ejection... First base umpire Scott Barry tossed gibbons according to yes network
ReplyDeleteWatching the entirety live, the umps got this wrong, I think, according to mlb.com Marquez tossed him and someone else, but saw Barry eject someone. Weird play, this is worth a challenge Next year.
ReplyDeleteIf you they are committed to that you are extremely naive.....
ReplyDeleteOh please he got the right call move along and shut it
ReplyDeleteyes lets listen to announcers whom call foul-tip foul balls
ReplyDeleteSoftballumpire, when's the last time you posted an insightful comment on this website?
ReplyDeleteSoftballumpire, when's the last time you posted an insightful comment on this website?
ReplyDeleteSoftballumpire, when's the last time you posted an insightful comment on this website?
ReplyDeleteI think if we are ruling an ejection Irrecusable then the entire write-up needs to reflect that. Simply give the details on the play but offer no judgment of whether or not the call was correct or incorrect. The initial rulings are not infallible, and by posting a mention of correct/incorrect in a situation where the ruling can't be challenged doesn't seem like the best idea.
ReplyDeleteFirst: Rules are rules. We wont ignore them because an anon wants us to. But feel free to propose an amendment to the rule after this season to allow some calls to be exempt.
ReplyDeleteSecond: Every call is game-changing.
Feel free to elaborate. Please include all the words in your sentence(s) when you do.
ReplyDelete13 hours ago
ReplyDeleteha typical people it was 13 hours ago. a foul-tip live ball and in play foul ball is a dead ball not in play.
ReplyDeleteWhere did I say that?
ReplyDeleteClassic Jerry Layne. I think he says maybe two words to Collins the whole time. I honestly think Layne tried to keep Collins because the argument seemed pretty civil (yes I know it was a repeat visit) and finally had to do it with the toss of the hat.
ReplyDeleteYou didn't. UEFL Rule 7-1-b: "In the instance of an exhaustive disputed or inconclusive Quality of Correctness, the Quality of Correctness shall revert to reflect the call made on the field as correct."
ReplyDeleteI know I didn't. Maybe Rich meant it to be a statement, as opposed to a question.
ReplyDeleteScroll up - maybe look at the screen where this call is "incorrectly deemed bad" - get off your knees
ReplyDeleteBecause of course one error in hundreds of posts means it's all a fraud, right? It's not the first time the initial write-up has been wrong, and it's an unfortunate oversight in the rules that means it probably won't get fixed. That's an oversight that I'm sure will be fixed at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm only kneeling down because that's what you do when talking to small children; you go down to their level so you don't intimidate them.
BAPACop, was he safe or out?
ReplyDeleteThe problem that I have is this site already has a pro-umpire bias, inherently. This just feeds that. This site should strive for ACCOUNTABILITY.
From the replays I've seen I believe he was out. What manner of accountability do you think this site should be providing?
ReplyDeleteSimultaneous pop...safe...
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