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| Dempster drills A-Rod with a 3-0 backside heater. |
This is Brian O'Nora (7)'s first ejection of 2013.
Brian O'Nora now has 2 points in the UEFL (0 + 2 MLB + 0 U= 2).
Crew Chief Fieldin Culbreth now has 3 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (2 + 1 Irrecusable Call = 3).
*Rule 8.02(d) states, in part, "Intentionally Pitch at the Batter; If, in the umpire’s judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to: 1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or 2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager."
This is the 139th ejection of the 2013 MLB season.
This is the 66th Manager ejection of 2013.
This is the Yankees' 3rd ejection of 2013, 5th in the AL East (TOR 9; BOS 8; BAL, TB 5; NYY 3).
This is Joe Girardi's 2nd ejection of 2013 and first since June 1, 2013 (Vic Carapazza; QOC = Correct).
This is Brian O'Nora's first ejection since August 19, 2012 (Chase Headley; QOC = Irrecusable).
Wrap: New York Yankees vs. Boston Red Sox, 8/18/13
Video: Appealing a monumental drug-related suspension, A-Rod targeted by BOS, Girardi incensed (ESPN)
Video: Sequence of Dempster's four inside pitches to Rodriguez, culminating with the up-and-in HBP (ESPN)
Related Video: O'Nora takes a direct shot to the throat from Yankees pitching, rules pitch ball four (ESPN)
What miserable situation handling by O'Nora. How on earth could he allow Dempster to get away with a clearly premeditated targeting? Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteWhat miserable commenting by me. How on earth could I ever attempt to make an intelligent comment instead of simply coming on here and insulting individuals? Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteThe fans would like to thank the following persons who made this moment possible.
ReplyDelete1) Ryan Dempster, for drilling that POS A-Roid in the back for tarnishing the sport of baseball.
2) Brian O'Nora, for withholding warnings until the deed was done and not ejecting Dempster. Excellent use of umpires discretion and just was the rule was designed for.
3) Brian O'Nora, for not ejecting Dempster.
4) Joe Girardi, for acting like a complete moron. Yes, we all know it was intentional and you know what, you get a freaking cheater playing on your team... I'm glad the Red Sox waited for national ESPN Sunday Night Baseball to do this. It was a long time coming.
The sport as a whole is sick and tired of this BS and if there was ever an appropriate time for the intentional bean-ball, this was it. Well done to Boston, mad respect. FU to AROD.
I didn't attack him personally, actually. I said it was poor situation handling and he allowed Dempster to get away with something he clearly shouldn't have. Try harder!
ReplyDeleteI can't find the part of the post where I said you attacked him personally. I can only find the part where you said he did a "miserable" and "pathetic" job, and I'm sure anyone would feel insulted to have their work referred to in such a way.
ReplyDeleteCriticizing poor situation handling is not a personal attack. I'm afraid you have mixed business with personal.
ReplyDeleteI can't find the part of the post where I said you attacked him personally. I can only find the part where you said he did a "miserable" and "pathetic" job, and I'm sure anyone would feel insulted to have their work referred to in such a way.
ReplyDeleteDempster should have been ejected and fined purely for contributing to the ongoing media frenzy that is A-Rod. Now because of Dempster all we will hear and see for the next two days is clips of the at bat and talk about A-Rod getting beaned. The real moron here is Dempster for adding more fuel to the media cesspool that is Alex Rodriguez.
ReplyDeleteHorse shit is what it is. I can't stand A-Scrod and now I am rooting for him because Dumpster is the sandwichboardman for Cialis. Maybe O'Snora felt bad and did not eject him because he recognized the 4-hour erection, who knows. But this one actually riled me up. How do you let someone throw 4 pitches like that and NOT eject him? I hope Torre levels the boom boom on O'Snora.
ReplyDeleteThat's 100% accurate regarding O'Snora's handling of the situation, actually. I'd add "nefarious" and "pusillanimous" to "miserable" and "pathetic".
ReplyDeleteI don't think it will be O'Nora's last ejection tonight.
ReplyDeleteSo, defending his player (after 4 pitches were thrown at him) is acting like a "moron"? How about asserting that you are "tired of this BS" and then not being able to rationalize why Girardi did what he did? I think that might qualify as well. But hey, as a Yankee fan, I am ecstatic. This might be what the Yanks need to (once again) send the Red Sux packing come October. Quite frankly, I can't wait.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing we won't be seeing a video for a while?
ReplyDeleteThe better question is how do you miss a 38 year old target coming back from major hip surgery 3 times before finally connecting.
ReplyDeleteWhen A-Rod gets hit, an angel gets their wings.
ReplyDelete@baba cop happy now, I'm on the right post, The video will come be patient , I was on the wrong post because it was not up yet.
ReplyDeleteGil linked the post in his response to you. You made three more comments on the wrong post after it was up.
ReplyDeleteAnd are you going to spell my name right anytime soon? It's right above my posts, it can't be that difficult.
So what is Dempster's beef, except that everyone hates A-Rod. Is he just pulling a Russ Springer and hitting the guy because he can't stand him, or did something actually happen during the game, or previous games, to prompt this?
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree with another comment - the media, especially ESPN, will analyze this six ways from Sunday.
http://deadspin.com/ryan-dempster-beans-a-rod-and-somehow-joe-girardi-is-t-1164355300?autoplay=1
ReplyDeleteI dislike Rodriguez, and feel he and any other cheaters of the like should be banned from the sport, but that doesn't make intentionally hitting him okay. As bad as MLB is at handling suspensions of any kind, doing so is their job; players can't be going out to exact vigilante justice on the field.
ReplyDeleteAs for Girardi, he should know better. He has a dispute, and I have no problem with him arguing this one a bit, but to go out there like that and get tossed that quick (or at all) is just plain stupid. A Manager can't do his job from the clubhouse.
Regarding the decision to issue warnings instead of eject, I think O'Nora made the wrong choice even though the rules allow him the option. Players have a tendency to behave like children, as Dempster has so kindly demonstrated, and an ejection here would remind the players that the rules of the game apply at all times to all players, whether you like them or not. Demspter should have been ejected AND warnings should have been issued to keep the Yankees from playing the "you touched me first" game.
Just wanted to point out that the Jays actually lead the division with 9 ejections: 4 for Gibbons, 2 for Bautista, and 1 for each of Encarnacion, Lawrie, and DeMarlo Hale.
ReplyDeleteBrian onora got hit, lets see if he remains in the game, like last time middle rooms of his leg ejects valentine
ReplyDeleteMiddlebrooks sry, onora a little bit similar to Yankees Red Sox last year, hallion tosses Beckett onora valentine game
ReplyDeleteHow the hell do you not eject Dempster there? Reminds me of the Strasburg ejection.
ReplyDeleteI believe that if an umpire feels it necessary to issue a warning to both benches the pitcher who initiated the warning should be automatically ejected. There is no reason to issue a warning unless you feel there is intent and therefore no reason not to eject the pitcher that caused you to issue the warning for intentionally throwing at the batter.
ReplyDeleteAs an added little tidbit, 4 Yankee's were hit in the game but only Alex Rodriguez was deemed intentional enough to warrant any reaction by the umpire.
There is a situation where I think warnings would be appropriate: A situation where the umpire doesn't feel the pitch was intentional but can tell by the reactions of the batter and/or the batter's dugout that THEY think it was intentional. Here the umpire should issue warnings to prevent the batter's time from playing the "you touched me first" game. I also think warnings should be issued automatically, preferably by rule, after any ejection for an intentional HBP.
ReplyDeleteYou do have a point there, sometimes opposing teams do only see the pitch hit their guy without even considering whether it was intentional or one that got away from the pitcher.
ReplyDeleteIn this case however intent was obvious and the warning should have been issued after the second or third pitch in the at bat which is where it became apparent that the pitch behind him was intentional. O'Nora should have put a stop to it before that 4th pitch was ever thrown.
As for Girardi getting ejected like that, he is probably just plain tired of all this crap surrounding Rodriguez and this incident probably put him over the edge.
Handled poorly by onora, either toss dempster or don't give warnings until Yankees retaliate which they didn't until maybe the next redsox Yankees series. Replay, challenges, what ever system we get, umpires need better training because we all scrutinize calls like this, I.e. Wegner, hawk Tb zobrist, foster, Alvarez tex, tor, this game, bob Davidson. Couple years back kinsler, lackey. Right or wrong, this I'm afraid needs fixing talk among a group umps, the HP umpire can't get excited before not seeing and underlying what's right from wrong. Don't rush to judgement, I'm a big fan of baseball and umpires, but if we all every season critize the umps, then that just shows that the human error and human side of it cost a team, then things like this should be looked upon upstairs
ReplyDeleteI don't feel comfortable taking a position on whether or not the ejection should have happened before the HBP as the video I've seen only has the first and last pitches.
ReplyDeleteBad call onora, what can they do with calls like this with the new system out next year
ReplyDeleteI'm going to go out on a limb and guess "absolutely nothing".
ReplyDeleteMLB should make a special rule "The Throwing at A-Rod Rule", which states under no circumstance will an opposing pitcher be ejected for intentionally throwing at A-Rod.
ReplyDeleteEnglish please.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I don't like ARod, O'Nora should have ejected Dempster on ball four, even if he didn't warn him on ball one. Eject Dempster, issue warnings for the rest of the game, and go on.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, you guys yammering on about how awful O'Nora was would be the same ones hiding under second base when the sh*t hits the fan in Fenway Park. Also, ball two and ball three were not nearly close enough to issue warnings over. He does that and you guys are on here talking about how he was too quick to issue warnings.
Hey Zac don't worry about me, your missing the view, and justin beiber highlights.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you until #4. I would have done the exact same thing if I were Girardi, if it were A-Rod or anyone else (and I'm in no way an A-Rod fan). Four pitches are thrown at my guy, the last one a bean ball, and *then* warnings are issued? It's the second inning, my starter now can't let the ball get away without getting tossed out of the game. I think Girardi did the right thing standing up for his player and arguing the warnings, Dempster probably should have been run. It's all a judgement call, O'Nora made his and here's the result. Pure entertainment at the expense of A-Rod's elbow and Girardi's forehead vein. :)
ReplyDeletehttp://wapc.mlb.com/chc/play/?content_id=29832903&topic_id=8878834&c_id=chc
ReplyDeleteWas watching this, awful!!!!!!!! call!!!!!! WOuld it be great if we eliminated the chance for the homeplate umpire to call the check swing and only give that responsibility to the 1st and 3b umpires according to the appropriate hitter at the plate. ? Great idea i think, anyone with me? Or if you don't like that, then just give it to the home plate umpire and not the corner umps. But as you saw with cuzzi, he made a poor call. I feel like it has to be one or the other,? no?
Im shocked, when i see an umpire make mistakes, and yes were all human, but when I see mistakes lately wheather joyce galragga no hitter, joyce class act ump great ump, cuzzi mauer playoffs, eddings angels white sox playoffs 2005 etc, the mistakes they make are almost unforgivable, like how to do make a call like that bad. Im a big fan of umpires, but seriously, this is Major league baseball, after seeing a call like that a Wrigley, Im flabbergasted, can it get worst as far as the calls and was this the worst, or are their more horrible calls on the way. I don't mean the bang bang runner just beat it out but 1b umpire called him out, I mean like the cubs cards call, or hernandez, takeing a game away from okaland vs indains and he got it wrong with replay!!!!!!! Smh Im a yankee fans, and a baseball fan, and even i was upset that hernandez didn't give that two run hw to roasles and the a's.
ReplyDeleteThat would be incredibly stupid.
ReplyDeleteLet's see here...
You accidentally inserted eight exclamation points after "awful" in your first sentence, ad then placed five too many after "call". You capitalized the first two letters of "would" for some bizzare reason. You forgot the space between "home" and "plate" and ended that sentence with both a period and a quest mark. You forgot to capitalize "I" in the next sentence. You forgot to capitalize "Cuzzi". You ended your penultimate sentence with both a comma and a question mark and your final sentence is a fragment that you didn't even capitalize properly.
Oh, and you're on the wrong page again. How hard can it be?
Mispelled "I'm". Unecessary comma after "shocked". Forgot to capitalize "I". Mispelled "we're". Mispelled "lately". Mispelled "whether". Forgot to capitalize "Joyce". Mispelled and forgot to capitalize "Galaragga". Forgot a word or two somewhere in there too.I don't even know what to say about the word salad that is "joyce class act ump great ump". Forgot to capitalize "Cuzzi" and "Mauer". Forgot the words "during the" before "playoffs". Forgot to capitalize "Eddings", "Angels", "White", and "Sox". Missed quite a few words there as well. Extra word "to" and missing the word "do". Mispelled "I'm". Forgot to capitalize "League" and "Baseball". Mispelled "at" and "I'm". HOW THE F*** DID YOU SPELL FLABBERGASTED RIGHT? Mispelled "worse". Ended the sentence with a period instead of a question mark. Forgot to capitalize "Cubs", "Cards" and "Hernandez". Mispelled "taking". Mispelled and forgot to capitalize "Oakland" and "Indians". Seven extra exclamation points on that sentence. "Smh" is not a word. Mispelled "I'm". Unless you have multiple personalities you are only one "fan". Forgot to capitalize "I" and "Hernandez". "HW" is not a suitable abbreviation for "Home Run". Mispelled and forgot to capitalize "Rosales". Forgot to capitalize "A's".
ReplyDeleteSeriously, how did you get flabbergasted right if you can't remember to capitalize "I"?
Misspelled "you're". Forgot to capitalize "View". Unnecessary comma before "and". Forgot to capitalize "Justin" and "Beiber".
ReplyDeleteMisspelled and forgot to capitalize "O'Nora". Misspelled "let's". "Middlebrooks of his leg ejects Valentine" is total gibberish.
ReplyDeleteMisspelled "sorry". Mispelled and forgot to capitalize "O'Nora". Forgot to capitalize "Hallion and O'Nora again". "Hallion tosses Beckett O'Nora Valentine game" is total gibberish.
ReplyDeleteMisspelled and forgot to capitalize "O'Nora". Forgot to capitalize "Dempster". Misspelled and forgot to capitalize "Red Sox". Misspelled "whatever". Forgot to capitalize "Hawk". "Tb" is not a word. Forgot to capitalize "Zobrist" and "Foster". "Tex" and "tor" are not words in this context. Forgot to capitalize "Bob". Forgot the word "A" before "couple". Forgot to capitalize "Kinsler" and "Lackey". "I'm afraid needs fixing talk among a group umps" is gibberish, as is "the HP umpire can't get excited before not seeing and underlying what's right from wrong". Misspelled "judgment" and "criticize". Forgot to punctuate your last sentence.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure where you came from, but do us all a favor and stop posting comments until you have taken and passed grade school grammar. Seriously, you're giving me a migraine.
ReplyDeleteChris Stewart should be banned from baseball for ducking the pitch that hit O'Nora. That was 100X worse than anything Pete Rose ever did!
ReplyDeleteWhy do you care? the umpire handle fine
ReplyDeleteOh please a rod a liar cheater and it was going to happen
ReplyDeleteHow about don't put a know cheater into a game?
ReplyDeletehe made the right choice now stop bitching.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I have read a post from you yet that is NOT contentious. Quite frankly I don't understand that. You obviously know the game, so contributions would be much better offered with some humility. Believe it or not, some of us are here to learn and discuss things, not bandy about pedantic or pusillanimous pedagogy. I don't know anyone in his or her right mind that would disagree with tossing Dumpster here. The point of the matter is that the 1st pitch "sent a message". Then the next two were behind him. So I Am not sure how they were "not nearly close enough to issue warnings over". The 4th pitch hit him. He should have been tossed for sure there.
ReplyDelete"Good Lord, the rod up that man's butt must have a rod up its butt."
Umm, because Dumpster is not a very good pitcher? Should have stayed in the bullpen. =-)
ReplyDeleteWell, that one is easy. If we eliminated all of the cheaters, there would be no minor leagues because they would all have to be called up to replace the removed cheaters (which is probably a lot more than we know).
ReplyDeleteTo this date, I don't think Bonds or A-Scrod have failed drug tests to have thrown in their faces. Suspicions or not.
This ain't the grammar rodeo. I have an ELA teaching degree and write professionally. But I am sure I execute a typo inadvertently every now and again. I have a bigger problem with some of the people simply being on this board/forum to pick fights. The admins need to mop that shit up. Contribute, or STFU.
ReplyDeleteRelax and just tune it out. If some people are here for the grammar rodeo (yes, I know there is no such thing, it is an allusion to the Simpsons), let them bandy about (often) incorrect grammatical concepts. I've written professionally (technical writer, but I also write childrens' books) since 1996, and poorly-executed grammar or syntax bugs me far less than pedantry. That being said, I think you raise a valid point.
ReplyDeleteAre you really going to dog him over that? Come on, dude, you're better than that. You contribute more in a post than 50 people, usually. I like that better!
ReplyDelete(Oh, and while we're hammering on each other for poor grammar or syntax or diction in a message forum, "A" is not a word, it's a letter!)...=-)
I'm being facetious, of course.
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!" (Ralph Wiggum)
"Can't we all get along?" (unkonwn hippie)
I did not mean that he should have been ejected before the HBP. I meant that the warnings should have been issued before the hit by pitch to try to prevent that 4th pitch from ever happening. I agree there should not be an ejection until after the actual HBP in this case, but I do feel that a warning being issued prior to that 4th pitch could have prevented it from occurring.
ReplyDeleteActually, I would recommend a semi-colon here. There are two independent clauses separated via train of thought. And there is no coordinating conjunction (like "and" or "but"). And theoretically, it would be a period or exclamation point after "post".
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I know, in theory I should put the period within the quotes. However, I have disagreed with that since taking advanced grammar in college, and think it is silly to do that unless you're actually penning a direct quote or executing conversational dialogue (since in this case the period is NOT part of the quote but rather the end of a sentence that contains one). Semantics.
I highly recommend THE HANDBOOK OF GOOD ENGLISH by Edward Johnson. It's a reading staple of mine. Signed, Williams Jakespeare (my pet pseudonym)
No, I honestly did not understand that. I can handle misspelled words and punctuation errors, but that post is just hard to read at all.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest you watch the sequence of pitches again. Pitch 2 and Pitch 3 were called balls inside but neither were behind ARod. O'Nora couldn't warn Dempster after the first pitch. It was the first pitch of an at-bat in the second inning and no one knew that was going to happen. He couldn't warn during Pitch 2 or 3 because they weren't close. His only options were to do what he did, or eject Dempster and issue warnings. (Which I would have been fine with) Girardi still would have been pissed that the Yankees got a warning, but he probably would have stayed in the game.
ReplyDeleteI'm simply contending that O'Nora didn't handle this situation "horribly" as some people have said. Throwing situations are not cut and dry, black and white things. Even at the MLB level, not every umpire will handle them exactly the same.
I am sorry but this crew has had a HORRIBLE year:
ReplyDelete- Blowing the pitching change rule
- Bill Welke's blunders
- Blowing the forceplay rule that lead to a incorrect double play
- Adrian Johnson TWICE changing his call at second base
- The crew being horrendously underprepared for the Arod situation
Maybe Cubby wasn't ready to lead a crew...As much as we all love Cubby and Brian this has just been brutal
Bill Miller has replaced Mark Wegner on Mike Winter's crew, and it looks like Paul Emmel and Bob Davidson are on vacation.
ReplyDeletehehehe
ReplyDeleteI'll never understand why it's better for the manager to not be able to manage his team, which is what he gets paid for, for the good majority of the game.
ReplyDeleteWhat I meant was that the only spot in that pitch sequence where O'Nora could have done anything was that one that hit Rodriguez. You can't warn after a standard inside pitch like the second or third one were.
ReplyDeleteWith a px 2.18 the third pitch was a bit more inside than a standard inside pitch as a reference the first pitch was px 3.579, the second pitch was 1.692 (this is more of a standard inside pitch), and the fourth pitch was px 2.437.
ReplyDeleteSo, the third pitch in the at bat was relatively close to the pitch that hit him in terms of px values. The main difference is the first 3 pitches seemed to be aimed to take out A-Rod's knee/leg whereas the fourth pitch was more to ensure he accomplished what he failed to do with the the first 3 pitches. So while I agree the second pitch was more your standard inside pitch, I do feel the third was a bit more inside than a standard inside pitch.
Also given it was A-Rod at the plate and taking into account how many players are mad at him I think it could have been established that he had a target on his back before the fourth pitch.
Anyway regardless of whether a warning should or should not have been issued before the pitch that hit him, I believe we can both agree that after the pitch hit him Dempster should have been ejected.
Sometimes a manager getting ejected is a way to fire the team up and can occasionally result in a rally breaking out and a much needed. Other times a manager will get ejected in order to protect his player from getting ejected.
ReplyDeleteInteresting reference. Here are the #s for game outcomes, since 2008.
ReplyDeleteTeams are 341-614 (.357) in ejection games (winning percentage derived from the team association of the ejected person).
Loss-to-Win record (since 2010): 15-86.
Record for ejections that occur during a tie (since 2010): 33-57 (.367)
Manager ejection record (since 2008): 174-286 (.378)
It's only the top of the second so you don't need a rally yet and there was no one at risk of being ejected.
ReplyDeleteYou forgot a d in the word and, can't get much simpler than that....
ReplyDeletelike you know anything damn thing about umpiring
ReplyDeleteJust cause i don't agree with you does not mean my opinion is not invalid.
ReplyDeleteI did? Where?
ReplyDeleteOkay, but I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Did you post under another name? If it was "softballump" I was not contesting what you said, simply how you said it. Re-read....
ReplyDeleteGirardi also saved his pitcher. With him already gone there was less chance of a retaliation. They wouldn't want to lose the acting manager after girardi went, especially against the sox
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