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| Layne gives Sciosc a silent stare. |
This is Jerry Layne (24)'s first ejection of 2013.
Jerry Layne now has 4 points in the UEFL (0 Previous + 2 MLB + 2 Correct Call = 4).
Crew Chief Jerry Layne now has 5 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (4 Previous + 1 Correct Call = 5).
This is the 110th ejection of the 2013 MLB season.
This is the 53rd Manager ejection of 2013.
This is the Angels' 2nd ejection of 2013, T-2nd in the AL West (OAK 5; LAA, TEX 2; SEA 1; HOU 0).
This is Mike Scioscia's 2nd ejection of 2013 and first since May 26, 2013 (Marty Foster; QOC = Correct).
This is Jerry Layne's first ejection since Sept. 6, 2012 (Quirk, Clevengert, Corpas & Gonzalez; QOC = U).
Wrap: Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim vs. Texas Rangers, 7/30/13
Video: After close play, Scioscia tossed; receives the patented Jerry Layne silent treatment (LAA)
Wow, that toss was unusually quick. I guess Scioscia prefixed his tirade with "you're." What do the ones proficient in lip reading think was said?
ReplyDeleteI love the silent treatment. I wish we could know what Scioscia said.
ReplyDeleteScioscia: [Obscured]
ReplyDeleteLayne: .
That was a very quick hook.
ReplyDeleteThat was a very short comment.
ReplyDeletei think its pretty obvious that scioscia said the magic words
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of magic words. I want to know which ones he said.
ReplyDeleteChallenge. Inconclusive, at best. Simple Safe/Out call.
ReplyDeleteSo is it simple or inconclusive?
ReplyDeleteSimple safe/out call = reason for challenge. As in, not a rule-oriented challenge.
ReplyDeleteY = X + 1, but there's not enough information to solve for X or Y =/
ReplyDeleteTie goes to the umpire.
ReplyDeleteMy lip reading isn't great but on the texas feed it looks like he came out and said "you f***ed up"
ReplyDeleteBest ejection of the year so far. That was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteBoredcravens silence can't be misquoted.
ReplyDeleteNot an ejection since it was an umpire doing it.. what do you think would have happened if a player had done this to an umpire?!?!
ReplyDeletehttp://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29269321&query=umpire
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be surprised if Cooper earned himself a suspension for violating situation handling guidelines or whatever it was that Davidson was suspended for a while back.
ReplyDeleteOn MLBN, they blurred out Scioscia's last words prior to the ejection.
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a really unnecessary situation to argue a call. Scioscia had to have intended to get thrown out the moment he left the dugout.
This ruling has been challenged and is under review by the UEFL Appeals Board.
ReplyDeleteWe actually do use the shorthand of "simple" vs. "complex" rulings in our Board discussions similar to how BillUnit has used it here - "simple" being a rudimentary judgment call - did the fielder beat the runner, did the ball hit the line, did the ball get trapped, etc. "Complex" for us stands for rule-oriented and also judgment calls that require a bit more extrapolation - fan interference runner placement, infield fly NCI vs NCC, etc.
Having the benefit of watching the play in slow motion from multiple angles, I do think the ball hit the glove just a split second before the runners foot hit the bag. But I could definitely see the call going either way. Layne handled that about as well as you can as an umpire.
ReplyDeleteHe got the call at first base right. Regarding the ejection, it would be wrong of us to pass judgment on the decision to eject Scioscia without first knowing what he said. If he was just arguing the call, that's one thing, but if he used any threats, profanity, or accusations (e.g. "Are you f@#$ing blind?" or, "You better reverse that now or I'll have your job,") then I could see the ejection as clearly warranted. I think the only people who know what he said are Scioscia, Layne, and those within earshot. I would love to hear a recording of this conversation or at least see Scioscia's lips move when he first opens his mouth. Too bad there isn't one.
ReplyDeleteYou have the benefit of watching the replay multiple times and you still got the call wrong. He was safe. Watch the video again until you see the foot hit the bag before the ball gets into the glove. The call was close but if its overturned to be incorrect I will not be in the UEFL next year.
ReplyDeleteThat comment was written in the English language.
ReplyDeleteThis is the second time Jerry Layne has given someone the silent treatment during an ejection argument (Bruce Bochy last year was the first). It seems to be pretty effective at having the manager out there for a very short time.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Cooper do wrong? The pitcher was showing him up by throwing his hands up in the air. I thought Cooper handled it properly. Gave him a stern warning. IF you let pitchers get away with that behavior, pack a lunch because you're in for a looooong day.
ReplyDeleteCooper didn't handle it properly. He didn't need to approach the mound in that fashion to give a warning.
ReplyDeleteMike, it's the second inning and it's a close play. Your team needs you on the bench, not in the locker room.
ReplyDeleteI like it. It circumvents confrontational tactics and pretty much nips any argument in the proverbial bud.
ReplyDeleteScioscia must have made a very magical statement right off the bat because this was the fastest hook I have ever seen.
ReplyDeleteOn the Texas feed, you can clearly hear him say "You f***ed up!" Good night....
ReplyDeleteOn the very last replay they show press the play/pause button and go frame by frame. If you do this you will see what looks like a "snow cone" in the front of the glove. At that frame the ball is ENTERING the glove but hasn't hit the back of the glove yet. In this same frame the runners foot is on the bag.
ReplyDelete3B Umpire Bill Miller just chucked Don Mattingly for arguing two previous check swing calls while making a pitching change.
ReplyDeleteI hope we have the vid?
ReplyDeletehttp://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130801&content_id=55474114&vkey=news_la&c_id=la
ReplyDeleteDon't know if were getting the video
Does l"you fu$ked up" really deserve an automatic EJ??? Its really not all that different than "you fu$king missed it"... which is not considered "magic words" at the NCAA & PRO levels, . Now if he said "YOU'RE fu@ked up", I can understand the quick hook. For those of you that work higher level ball - what are your thoughts?
ReplyDeleteThere is a video posted, but it does not contain the ejection or either of the calls, which is why I am not linking to it. Don't know if we will get more than that.
ReplyDeleteThe video is Mattingly walking off the mound and on his way back to the dugout, he argues with Miller and then turns towards 3rd base. That is all we see.
I'm guessing this will end up as an NEC since the ejection happened several pitches after the call.
ReplyDeleteIn re: 110 Layne 1;
ReplyDeleteAfter review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed in a 5-0-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Three Appeals Board members voted to confirm the Original Ruling while two elected to uphold it.
Majority Opinion, Turducken:
Confirm. Thud and pop. Glove doesn't pop [secure possession] before the BR's foot connects with the base.
Concurring Opinion, RichMSN:
The BR was safe, though. Confirm.
Concurring Opinion, BT_Blue:
Watching it on replay from one side looks like an out. From the other looks like safe. Thus I will chose to Uphold the original call of one Jerry "Silence is Golden" Layne.
Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.
Confirmed: RichMSN, yawetag, Turducken
Upheld: tmac, BT_Blue
Overturned: -
Deferred: -
Abstained: Gil (Posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (deployment)
ABSOLUTELY - there is a BIG difference between 'You f***ing missed it' and 'You f***ed up' - the latter is much more personal and direct, And when you factor in that this was a real banger that was extremely close, that it was only the second inning and other stuff like Sciosia's rep, it was a no brainer EJ.
ReplyDeleteLayne is not exactly a hot headed ump - him and Davis might have the least ejections in the last five years, so when you compare his rep against Sciosia's, I think it is pretty clear what happened was enough.
Yeah - totally agree RE: Sciossa - he is king rat and someone who definitely doesn't deserve any extra length on the leash. Dont get me wrong, I think the EJ was classic...just wanted to get thoughts on the "personalness" of what he said.
ReplyDeleteUmpires are allowed to show up players and managers, but not the other way around?
ReplyDeleteTo me, this ejection is for arguing judgement calls and being a stupid manager...not any magic words (although they were likely there). The play is a banger...a tie at best. When a fielder bobbles a ball or makes a throw that creates a tough call that should be routine, everyone above 13&U knows that the umpire is going to call the runner safe in that situation. If the defense makes a great play and it is just as close, umpires tend to reward great defense. Tie goes to the umpire is exactly correct. When I get a manager out on me on plays like this, I just tell them that they are yelling at the wrong guy. If they don't "get" it, they might not be there much longer.
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