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| Matheny yells at Bellino as Bell runs in and Cubs security looks on in amazement. |
This is Dan Bellino (2)'s fourth ejection of 2013.
Dan Bellino now has 12 points in the UEFL (10 + 2 + 0 = 12).
Crew Chief Wally Bell now has 4 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (3 Previous + 1 Irrecusable = 4).
This is the 93rd ejection of the 2013 MLB season.
This is the 43rd Manager ejection of 2013.
This the Cardinals' 3rd ejection of 2013, T-2nd in the NL Central (PIT 6; CHC, STL 3; MIL 2; CIN 0).
This is Mike Matheny's 2nd ejection of 2013 and first since June 2, 2013 (Clint Fagan; QOC = Y).
This is Dan Bellino's first ejection since May 24, 2013 (Brett Lawrie, John Gibbons; QOC = Y).
This is the first post-game ejection since June 5, 2013 (Tony Randazzo of Mike Aviles; QOC = U).
Wrap: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs, 7/11/13
Video: Following the final out, Matheny confronts Bellino, is tossed and has to be restrained (STL)
47 comments :
Can anyone post video of the Adams at bat in the 9th?
Matheny is really an idiot, isn't he. Not a good idea to burn bridges and built your reputation by getting ejected after a game is over. He's lucky Bellino didn't toss the batter for arguing balls and strikes which by rule is an automatic ejection. Maybe next time Bellino will forgo the warning and just heave since that seems to be what Matheny wants
And I thought Leyland's tantrum was bad...
Good to see the double standard well in play.. I'll bet no umpire gets in trouble for physical contact once again. And you might want to try again on "arguing balls and strikes is an automatic ejection." It COULD be an automatic ejection. How often is it really? If you truly believe that is true, I've got some ocean-front property for sale in Kentucky..
Matheny stuck up for his rookie player who was showed up by a hot head up with an agenda....who is born and lives in Chicago. Matheny had every right to make his point. The "idiot" might be in the mirror, Jimbo!
Strike 3 was a good pitch. Cards, you are down 3 runs in the 9th...swing the bats! You aren't going to walk in a tie, well maybe against the Cubs you can, I digress. :)
Here is the problem with a guys first managerial experience being in the big leagues. The end of the game is never the time to argue. He could very likely get suspended for this. To Mike: what are you talking about with physical contact?
It was nice of Matheny to stick up for his guy but do it at the time of the incident. And you're likely imagining your agenda claim. These guys are Major League umpires and where they call home has zero influence over how they perform on the field.
The umpires have to leave by the visitor's dugout -- for Matheny to use that opportunity to corner Bellino is a chicken-shit move. Good for him for not standing there and just taking it.
These guys are both adults and did not handle it well (Matheny, Bellino). The only ones who seemed to handle it well were Bell and Knight. Don't even engage the manager at that point. Why bother?
I don't think where he lives makes a difference. Most people from Chicago are smart enough NOT to root for the Cubs.
I'd like to see the argument over the strike 3. I agree that Matheny deserves to be tossed for arguing, but just once I'd like to see an umpire completely ignore the tirade and keep walking. Don't fuel the dragon. And Matheny should have argued, if he wanted, RIGHT AFTER the play!
That being said, Matheny is certainly NOT the first manager to argue after a game, so this in no way influences what umpires think of him IMO.
Yeah, I'd like to see that too.
While your attempt at sarcasm is admirable (though it needs some work - Kentucky? Really? Come on! That state is a joke w/o the ocean shore quasi-allusion!), arguing balls and strikes IS AN EJECTIONABLE offense. It's not "is" thrown out or "could be" thrown out. Anything "could be" done, but it's only done when it's done (ask Kramer about "the levels").
And I certainly hope that no one gets into trouble for physical contact, since the only physical contact was umpires restraining Matheny (last time I checked that is perfectly acceptable). Jees. Sounds like some of us want MMA/UFC to combine with MLB....
"Well, you can see it here, Jim. When Matheny attempts to argue the strike 3 call, Wally Bell puts him into a sleeper chokehold and taps him out. Argue that, Mike!"
They had a million great views on the post game show last night. Disappointing they're never up online.
Basically, Bellino pulled the Joe West move from earlier this year with his mask off and shooing Adams away. Adams wasn't being particularly belligerent. You could see Matheny on the top step of the dugout yelling.
Even Matheny said in the post game he had no idea about the pitch. He just didn't like Bellino showing up his player by removing his mask.
The pitch was good on the live pitch track deal. The ugly part was an awful frame job by the catcher. He yanked his glove down after he caught it. Looked like a Little League catcher.
I did not see any attempts at anal intercourse, so you lost me with that analogy, sorry.
"Are you a pirate?"
"Sort of."
The umpires have to leave through the visitor's dugout. To block their exit to confront Bellino is little league horsesh*t. Bellino handled this perfectly.
Sorry your team lost - But where the umpires live had nothing to do with it.
Anthony Rizzo with 3 RBI's did have something to do with the outcome.
Under your assumption only umpires who live, or grew up, in non-major cities can work in the MLB.
Maybe your question should be what did the rookie player say to the umpire to get the reaction we saw in the game.
Here is the video from the Cubs feed. Nothing different than the Cards feed showed us.
http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28823001&game_pk=undefined
Just curious on how you think Bellino should of handled it DD4D?
Not to be 'that guy' but I'm pretty sure it was Mike DiMuro, not Knight. And I love Fonzie's reaction as well...nothing. Just walks calmly into the dugout behind Dan.
Here's the video of the incident (at 1:59 mark): http://wapc.mlb.com/chc/play/?tcid=mm_chc_vid&c_id=chc&content_id=28827985
I don't have nearly the experience that some of you guys have, I admit that. But in this case, I am not sure how that affects this (adversely or not). If it is during the game, it is one thing. But it is the end of the game. I'd just keep walking into the dugout because any discussion at that point is going to be heated (and erroneously attached to the results of the game, at that point). Of course, having said that, I can see how that might incite more aggression, so could you just say "I'm not going to discuss it right now."?
Of course, I've never done this level, so I don't know how feasible that is, I suppose. I've done all ages, but at the amateur level. I can't imagine dealing with managers whose lives depend on the outcomes of games and seasons.
My biggest concern is when they engage each other and then start to bandy back and forth...
I agree blocking them is horseshit. That's what the cops are there for.
(Hopefully they are not Cardinals fans!) =_)
DD4D - as an umpire or any official in any sport at any
level....after the game is done you just want to and need to get off the
field ASAP! The last thing you want is the losing coach or player riding you all the way off the field or even worse-- blocking your
exit. I agree with kickersrule, what are you supposed to do if you're
Bellino? just stand there and let Matheny yell at you for 20 minutes!?
If Matheny wants to argue during the game fine but not after the final
out...you had your chance...now let the umpires get off the field.
Dan bellino needs to be suspended immediately for his actions towards Matt Adams. He called a close pitch a strike three, which is fine. However, the way he took off his mask and shoved/waved Adams back to his dugout with Adams only uttering a few complaints is totally unacceptable. Matheny had every right to get upset. Bellino acted extremely unprofessional and needs to be suspended
Before we make any accusations about whether Bellino's actions were justified or not we must know exactly what those 'few complaints' were that Adams uttered. Bellino could have been doing the nice thing by shooing him back to the dugout instead of ejecting him. If the words uttered by Adams were vulgar and directed at Bellino or in any way derogatory toward the strike zone, Adams should be happy he only got shooed away. And anytime a player is barking at me, my mask is going to come off. They are speaking to me without a mask and it's only respectful of me to show them the same courtesy.
As an umpire you are expected to have certain people disagreeing with you. What Adams did their is beyond mild compared to other MLB players, given the fact it was a close pitch anyways. You are an complete fool for suggesting Adams should be ejected. It's like saying a human be executed for stealing a penny from a cashier.
Rule 9.01(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of professional baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules. Each umpire has authority to order a player, coach, manager or club officer or employee to do or refrain from doing anything which affects the administering of these rules, and to enforce the prescribed penalties.
Rule 9.02(a) No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.
Looks to me like the umpire has the authority and is obliged to instruct a player to stop objecting to balls/strikes calls.
Two quick points.
First, there should be some sort of disciplinary action when a manager or player takes advantage of the fact that the umpires have to leave through their dugout. This would have looked way worse if the umpires' accessed the field, say, behind home plate and Matheny came all the way out there to get in Bellino's face. He should gain no advantage because because of the placement of the tunnel.
Second, to those commenting on the contact, this is markedly different from when a manager or player bumps an umpire. In those situations, the contact is part of the aggressive act of arguing. Here, Wally and Mike are attempting to protect one of their own from a belligerent manager who is trying to block Dan's exit from the field. They shouldn't have to wait for Oquendo and the older Molina to come down and restrain Matheny. It's no wonder the younger Molina acted the way he did towards Clint Fagan. The apples don't fall far from the tree.
I shall call you "Insane Conspiracy Theorist #3" and shall have many a laugh at your expense.
First..you need to read my full comment by paying attention to the use of the words if and should before you reduce yourself to name calling...I stated we needed to now the full context of what Adams said before making any judgments. No one, without knowing exactly what he said, can say whether or not Bellino's actions were justified or if he should have done more or less.
Second..I'll refer you to Jim's reply to your response for the appropriate official rules which justify Bellino's actions regardless of what was said. According to the rules, umpires are NOT expected to have ANYONE verbally or physically disagree with their ball/strike calls.
Have you ever umpired a game in your life?
If that was Tom Hallion or even Balkin Bob, Adams would have been tossed by a blink of any eye. Watch the Manuel-Davidson exchange from last year. My favorite ejection of all time.
Davidson: "You think I wanted to block his ass, what the hell you yelling at?
Quinn Wolcott just made a terrific call at they plate in Detroit. Replay clearly shows the runners hand touching home in between the catchers legs before any tag was applied. He also seemed to keep his composure while Washington was arguing. Hal Gibson and Wolcott have been awfully impressive so far. Hamari and Little have been solid as well.
HP: Bellino
1B: DiMuro
2B: Bell
3B: Marquez
Not a big DiMuro fan, but he did the right thing here, protecting Matheny from Bellino. It wasn't a Francona-West time of situation.
Haven't seen Gibson or Little, but Wolcott has been nails since being up.
Hamari is not MLB ready. His strike zone is not consistent with the league standard.
Bucknor was hit in the helmet by a pitch in the Red Sox- Athletics game in Oakland and left the game. Miller puts the gear on behind the plate, with Tichenor at third and Hamari at first.
Might as well suspend Country Joe forever to add up for all the times he has done it lol
Bud Black just got tossed by Laz Diaz arguing an obstruction call on the shortstop, in which it appeared the baserunner was out of the baseline. Boxscore says Winters, but it was Diaz.
I often wonder about that. Remember that these guys are human. But that being said, there is a difference between rooting for a team (and suspending that when umpiring) and supporting a team to the point of influencing a game. I agree with you that the latter is very unlikely!
In baseball we do that. In soccer we stay to watch the handshake...I'll be honest, there have been times I linger, but I'm not doing anything "serious" like college or such, and I tend to know a lot of the coaches and players. We'll see if that changes as I take on more advanced assignments!
...But this is different - this is professional sports. People say it is fundamentally the same, but it isn't. Way too much at stake... I never said to sit there and let Matheny bitch, BTW. Actually, it is contrary to that line of thought - I suggested he ignore it and simply go and change. If he touches you, it's his ass that gets into trouble. But I don't see the value add in stopping and even engaging him.
Absolutely obstruction. He was not out of the baseline. There was no tag being attempted at the time.
How did he corner him? Clearly appears he simply began yelling at umpire about his complaint but in no way was it cornering or blocking. Ump could have been professional by allowing to vent, which would seem logical thing to do. When has it been not allowed for a manager to air grievances? If he didn't want to listen could have just kept head straightforward and said nothing to escalate situation. Not allowing questioning of authority sounds pretty ridiculously fascist.
I am an umpire as of now.
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