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| Andrus argues the K3 call and is heaved. |
This is Eric Cooper (56)'s first ejection of 2013.
Eric Cooper now has -2 points in the UEFL (0 + 2 MLB + -4 N = -2).
Crew Chief Jeff Kellogg now has 4 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (4 Previous + 0 Incorrect Call = 5).
This is the 79th ejection of 2013.
This is the 37th player ejection of 2013. Prior to his ejection, Andrus was 0-3 in the contest with two SO.
This is the Rangers' 2nd ejection of 2013, 2nd in the AL West (OAK 5; TEX 2; LAA, SEA 1; HOU 0).
This is Elvis Andrus' 1st ejection of 2013 and first since July 26, 2011 (Andy Fletcher; QOC = N).
This is Eric Cooper's first ejection since June 14, 2012 (Ian Kinsler; QOC = N).
Wrap: Toronto Blue Jays vs. Texas Rangers, 6/14/13
Video: Andrus disputes Coop's K call, is tossed from the dugout arguing the four-seam fastball (TEX)
31 comments :
he was giving a lot of strikes in that corner all game, but even if youre giving that spot it wasn't close
I guess Eric only ejects people on Flag Day.
I don't think the Rangers care for Cooper very much. He has tossed Kinsler twice in Arlington over past seasons. The next time someone says that Eric Cooper was squeezing someone , you now its an absolute joke.
Strange how humans make mistakes! Well, when you do in this arena, prepare for backlash. And then prepare to summarily toss the complainer. That's life and can be equated to ANY situation. BAU...
I will say that I don't like when an umpire listens to what is being said in the dugout (no matter how loud) and then ejects someone. Sometimes it is better to let it go (as long as the player is not insulting your Mom or something). Just my opinion. This is major league...
"Dammit Dorn, this inning should be OVER!"
As a Blue Jays fan, I can't complain about Cooper's strike zone yesterday, but that's only because it favoured the Jays so much it was unbelievable. I can understand being angry if you're a Texas fan: your batters definitely had a larger zone and you pitchers definitely had a smaller one.
That is an amateur mentality and has no place in professional baseball. When you allow one guy to yell from the dugout why not allow 3 then 5 then 7 then why not everyone. Then you have chaos. Chaos in the dugout leads to chaos on the field and no one will believe you have control of your game. It also makes the game much harder to umpire as far as balls strikes safes and outs are concerned.
That being said there is a fine line. Understanding the game, such as when a player might be mad at himself as opposed to mad at you. It's always a process as to getting better as an umpire and making correct judgments in game management.
I believe the correct quote should be...."F*cken Dorn, this game should be over already, he tanked that ball on purpose!" I could be wrong though it's been a few years since I have seen that movie.
I wonder if Cooper said to Andrus: "What would you do if I call you out on that pitch exactly a year later?"
TMAC, I disagree. I think it is an amateur mentality to listen in on dugout conversations for PROFESSIONAL baseball. So, we can agree to disagree, particularly for "understanding the game", which this is only one minute aspect of and not reflective of anything more than that - a sample size. I'm not sure how one person griping is "chaos", but maybe we need to place a conference call to Dr. Ian Malcolm? Again, we can agree to disagree.
Yeah, you're right. I've warped it over the years. Can't tell you how many times I have uttered that while officiating a game. =)
It pains me to say it, but TMAC is 100% correct. If you let one guy bark, you have to let them all in professional baseball. These players are like 3 year olds, they will push the limit until you make them stop. If you let them bark, you won't be employed for long!
Again, I disagree. I read REFEREE magazine like a lot of well-informed officials. I recall a recent article discussing what the line is that we draw, and whether or not it is efficacious. If someone is barking about a call, who cares? If he is in the dugout, as long as he is not swearing, who cares? Now, we don't know what happened here, but I have seen some umpires purposely listen to conversations in the dugout looking for something. That is pusillanimous. You have to have a longer leash. And in pro sports it IS different. No one is paying money to come see the umpires - other than perhaps a few of us. Most come to see the athletes. We have to do what we can to keep them in the game. And BTW, there are ways to set the tone w/o tossing someone. Look at the manager and put the impetus on him or her first. Then take action. But that is my opinion.
How do you do that without appearing confrontational?
Simple: 1...2...3... Don't run your mouth after that.
The players choose whether they stay in the game or not when they act like children. You want to stay in the game...show respect for the person that can keep you there. It's that simple.
You're allowed to talk of you can do it without being puerile.
Well that settles it. You read Referee magazine.
Work a level anywhere close to MLB then get back with us. Your amateur, fanboy mentality ("No one is paying money to come see the umpires") would get you ran over at that level. No one should have to listen to someone screaming at them either. (Rangers' broadcaster description, not mine)
Sorry, but you just don't get it.
Since when is a player screaming on the top step a "dugout conversation"? You must have a different definition of "conversation" than the rest of us.
Zac, the rod up your ass has a rod up its ass. Seriously, if you can't have a conversation with someone without turning into a sniveling little knave, then don't engage. I won't read another response from you, because if I wanted to see a chlorinated gene pool I'd move to West Virginia.
I agree. But there are some considerations. I won't toss someone just for running his or her mouth. Oh, sorry, as Zac(kass) pointed out above, I only do amateur level, so what the hell do I know? But seriously, at ANY level, I think for each official the leash is determined by age, past history, and a myriad of other factors.
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Again, I agree if someone yells at you "You blew that call!" some umpires might want to take action, but you don't HAVE to. I say (in some cases) let them vent and realize they are acting foolish. And sometimes the manager might intercede for you. Throwing someone out of a game should be a last resort, especially in professional sports. I'm entitled to my opinion, and some umpires DO grant that longer leash, so I am not totally off base (pun intended) here.
To clarify for some of the zackasses, this allusion to REFEREE magazine is only to make a point. It discusses a lot of the shit we discuss here. Not pointing out would be remiss...
What levels do you work, fanboy?
If you believe that collegiate and professional players use the phrase "You blew that call" and leave it at that, you are even more clueless than I thought.
Admins, how do we alleviate situations with online stalkers? Do I need to contact Benson and Stabler????
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Remember this is coming from the "umpire" who claims that a player screaming at you from the top step of the dugout is a "dugout conversation".
Notice that you've yet to respond to anything umpiring-related in this conversation. Sounds like a troll t me.
Zac-Attack, BTW, this ejection happened days ago so I would rather focus on newer ones (you know, since as you point out I am but a Skeletorian novice and not so He-man and expert-like as some of you are!)....Anyway, I gotta run - I gotta go umpire one of those little insignificant non-professional games that mean nothing (as you point out). When I do an MLB game, I will be sure to "get back to you" as you suggest! Do you have an umpiring hotline (or summer clinic) we can call for sagacious input? Please send it to "theonlyjasonwilliams@gmail.com", I don't have time to follow these older case studies anymore.
I'll stop feeding the trolls. Hopefully the rest of you will follow my lead.
The way I learned from Vic Voltaggio and the way I teach it is for the sake of all umpires the ejection is earned and automatic when they get personal or impugn the integrity of an ump. That is very well known at higher levels. Never throw a fan. Everything else is in between and discretionary. Some things have shorter leashes, some people have shorter leashes. Just remember it had better be worth the paperwork.
That's how I learned it , that's how I teach it.
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