1B Umpire Jerry Layne ejected Giants Manager Bruce Bochy for arguing a safe call in
the top of the 3rd inning of the Nationals-Giants game. With one
out and three on, Nationals batter Roger Bernadina hit a 0-1 curveball from Giants pitcher Ryan Vogelsong back to the mound, deflected by Vogelsong and then fielded by second baseman Ryan Theriot, who threw to first baseman Brandon Belt. Replays indicate that Belt caught the ball with his foot on the bag prior to Bernadina touching first base, the
call was incorrect.* At the time of the ejection, the Nationals were leading, 5-0. The Nationals ultimately won the contest, 14-2.
This is Jerry Layne (24)'s first ejection of 2012.
Jerry Layne now has -2 points in the UEFL (0 Previous + 2 MLB + -4 Incorrect Call = -2).
Crew Chief Jerry Layne now has 6 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (6 Previous + 0 Incorrect Call = 6).
*After review, Quality of Correctness has been affirmed by the UEFL Appeals Board (5-0).
This is Jerry Layne (24)'s first ejection of 2012.
Jerry Layne now has -2 points in the UEFL (0 Previous + 2 MLB + -4 Incorrect Call = -2).
Crew Chief Jerry Layne now has 6 points in the UEFL's Crew Division (6 Previous + 0 Incorrect Call = 6).
*After review, Quality of Correctness has been affirmed by the UEFL Appeals Board (5-0).
This is the 118th ejection of 2012.
This is the 58th Manager ejection of 2012.
This is the Giants' fourth ejection of 2012, 2nd in the NL West (LAD 8; SF 4; SD 3; AZ, COL 2).
This is Bruce Bochy's first ejection since April 8th (Mike DiMuro; CC).
This is Jerry Layne's first ejection since July 28th (Jim Leyland; IC).
Video: Bochy argues safe call in 3rd inning, ejected quickly by Layne
Video: Play & Ejection with additional angles (UEFL)
UEFL Video: Jerry Layne ejects Bruce Bochy for arguing close safe call at first base
Video: Play & Ejection with additional angles (UEFL)
UEFL Video: Jerry Layne ejects Bruce Bochy for arguing close safe call at first base
42 comments :
I don't blame Bruce for getting chucked here. Why? Because, oh I don't know, the Giants got absolutely embarrassed by the Nationals: 14-0 in the 5th? If I was manager, I'd head for the hills, too.
I fricken love the silent treatment. Always makes the manager look like a fool. Umpires should do this more often but I under stand why they dont.
Anon @ 9:09
Yeah, except that it was 5-0 after that play, not 14-0
I like how at the same time the announcers are saying "here comes Bruce Bochy" we get a shot of some random security guy leaving the Nationals dugout.
You are right, he almost looks like as big a fool as the umpire who emphatically defends a bad call.
@Anon 9:26: That comment doesn't make much sense here. Did you watch the video? Layne doesn't say anything at all, let alone "emphatically defend [the] call". And it doesn't make the announcer a fool, but rather the director, who apparently cut to the wrong camera.
I see what you're trying to say here, it would have just been better to post it on a different ejection. Put that one back in the list and re-use it in the future. I won't tell anyone.
Wasn't referring to your post - but good try.... You are right, he didn't emphatically defend it, just ran Bochy rather quickly on a bad call - that better big guy?
I disagree. After watching this several times and slowing it down. I think Jerry made the correct call. It's definitely a close play, but it sure looks BR got his foot on the bag before F3 had control of the ball. Challenge
When does the first baseman securely catch the ball? When the ball hits his glove or when the ball is secured by the glove closing? This call is so close. It looks to me like the foot hits the bag then the glove closes. This play is so close you cannot fault the umpire if he calls it either way. Challenge on the fact that if the first baseman never closes his glove, the ball falls to the ground.
When you get blown out this badly, you deserve to be ejected.
For those of you who challenged this, I hate to tell you but you are wrong and will not win this challenge. It is not clear on this video, but CSN Bay Area feed shows that while it was a very close call, Layne was incorrect on it.
The announcers have some merit here. If the defense is kicking the ball around and just botching and booting plays, errors upon errors, the umpire WILL think safe, which could lead to this kind of a missed call.
Not criticizing Layne but that has to be the quickest ejection of the year. I'd love to know exactly what Bochy said cause he must have made a pretty bad comment to get tossed that quickly. I'm not a good lip-reader so if someone can interpret that it would be awesome
I read part of the Pam Postema book recently, made it clear she didn't like Jerry Layne while they were in AAA ball.
Well, most of the umpires didn't really like Pam Postema when she was in AAA ball either
I just saw the crew in the S.F. game, Larry Vanover was at third base when the night before he was behind the plate in N.Y.C. I know he was rejoining his regular crew, but this sort of cross country consecutive games should not be allowed under any circumstances.
If I had to bet...I'm guessing Bochy came out with the sole intent of being tossed.
Major props to Gil or Jeremy for the great UEFL video. On the the Nats broadcast video presented through MLB, I could not reach a conclusion on the call. The UEFL video perfectly displays the call and QOC.
All that being said, I love Jerry Layne's reaction on this ejection. And I appreciate the Nats' color guy noticing Layne not saying a word.
Oh, and just for a brief aside...
A sample of Pam Postema's book was on the "Reading" portion of my ACT exam about a decade ago.
Bad call, bad safe mechanic, bad ejection. The hat trick for Jerry Layne, fellas.
@Cricket, whenever I get a chance to work on them, this is the direction we're trying to get to with the videos. We're not looking to reproduce MLB's content, the idea instead is to produce educational material concerned with singular aspects of a play or fraction of a play.
Anyone posting "bad call, bad bla bla bla" here is obviously a disgruntled Giants fan. This call is so insanely close you can't blame this one on the ump alone. Even on the replay you have to forward/reverse frame by frame to see the play. Any single one of you posting on this board would call it safe too. I would. Would it in the end be the wrong call? Yes, technically he missed it. On a human level: impossible to consciously see or hear the ball hit the glove first. This all happens in one "*thump*". As far as Layne is concerned: from his viewpoint he saw a runner beat the play. Safe.
Bouchy knew he didn't have a winnable argument and just went to get run.
Deal with it. Next batter up!
Anon 1:39, that might be the most blasphemous comment I have seen on this board in a long time. Are you kidding me?
IT IS A BAD CALL. HE GOT THE CALL WRONG. YES, WE GET THE CALL IS TOUGH. BUT HE MISSED THE CALL. IT IS A BAD CALL.
I am thinking this is the easiest EJ report Jerry ever had to write...It goes like this
"Manager Bochy came out to me and said "@#$%^&*())(*&^%$".I responded by saying.......he left and the game proceeded.
Oh please Tim Tebow, get a clue. Yes he missed it. No it's not a "BAD" call. A "BAD" call in an obvious missed call. A "BAD" call is a call that everyone in the stands could get right, but the ump didn't. This was nowhere near obvious, and in now way a "BAD" call.
Problem with guys like you shouting "BAD CALL" is that you just look like a cry baby.
It's time to learn how to apply the proper dose of dissapointment to a call that didn't go your way.
Tebow is no crybaby. Good call = correct. Bad call = incorrect. Not rocket science.
Close call, but Jerry Layne is well known to mail it in during games. I can think of no other umpire who is as lazy as Layne. Watch him work the plate: nails in his shoes. In fact, he had an EJ last year (or 2 years ago) against the Mets because he was lazy rotating up to 3rd, made a call on the move, and kicked it.
I have never understood why MLB was so enamored with Layne (making him a CC, making him CC of the WS last year, etc.) Sure, there are worse umpires in the league. But there is no one lazier.
It looks to me like he is out by a matter of milliseconds. To be honest, I can see why Bochy argued here (his team was in absentia). I think it could have gone either way but since I get the benefit of seeing it over and over again I can see that the ball is caught before the runner's foot is on the base.
That being said, even though he is "incorrect" Layne gets a pass on this one. So damn close!
Welke's call in Colorado earlier this year was a "bad call". This was an absolute whacker at first on a play that the defense completely botched. You could go either way here and neither would be a "bad call".
For those of you complaining that Layne had too quick of a hook, you're idiots. Bochy obviously wanted to get ejected, made evident by how quickly he got ejected and his half-assed argument after the ejection.
And whoever said Layne's safe mechanic was bad, you're a moron.
Bang Bang call. Its a shame Jerry will ultimately lose points on this one. He handled it perfectly. Proper ejection and excellent post ejection demeanor by Jerry.
A thought: perhaps for future the Board could create some sort of exemption for these types of calls. But as many people on this post have agreed this call could very easily have gone either way, and the only way to make a determination is through frame by frame replay, something not afforded to the guys on the field. I think everyone can agree that Jerry was in a good position, and should have been able to make this call. With that in mind, there is a decidedly split decision among the posters even after seeing some replay.
While I agree that after seeing the frame by frame that UEFL put up, it's obvious that the BR was in fact out. Perhaps there should be an exemption for this type of play, or at least a different point system, rather than losing points, perhaps he could simply accrue no points.
Just my opinion: I'm sure there is a valid reason why this has not been addressed previously, but as a newcomer I'm not aware of it.
This is one (of umpty-ump) replays you can show when someone tries to tell you "There are no ties in baseball"
JeremyJ
Ive been saying that all year. However that is how everyone voted on wanting it to be. Doesnt make sense that you lose points for an ejection when that is what the fantasy league is based on. Not really fair that someone that no ejections could be 10 ejections if 6 of those 10 ejections were wrong. I think next year Im just gonna draft 4 umpires that I think will not have any ejections and I could have a chance at winning the league. I say make it simple 2 points for correct EJ and 1 point for Not correct EJ. However that is not how people voted because no one wants to see umpires get points for screwing up.
@kickersrule
That's not quite what I'm saying. I like the concept that you lose points if an umpire makes a bad call and then an ejection results from that bad call. That embraces the principal that those of us who umpire try to live by. Everybody misses calls but that doesn't mean you eject someone afterward. As I understand it, the point of this league is to highlight the ejections when someone deserved it and to unhighlight, to coin a phrase, when the umpire kicked the call.
What I'm saying is that in this situation, which is very uncommon in my opinion, the call really could have gone either way in real time. We can always run the tape back a hundred times, but on the field you only see it once and it goes by really quick.
The way I see it, even with replay, half of the posters here, said he was safe, so obviously that's a close call, which is different from him just completely blowing the call.
After review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed in a unanimous 5-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Five Appeals Board members voted to confirm Quality of Correctness.
Majority Opinion, Gil:
This appeal concerns whether a batter-runner was safe or out at first base, whether or not first base was legally tagged prior to his arrival. After instant replay review, it is apparent the Original Ruling was correct; Conclusive visual evidence advocates an affirmation of the original Quality of Correctness.
Concurring Opinion, tmac:
I am confirming the play ball contacts glove before foot is on base. That is usually called an out in professional baseball.
Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.
Confirmed: Gil, tmac, Albertaumpire, BillMueller, yawetag
Upheld: None
Overturned: None
Deferred: None
Abstained: Jeremy (Posted Original Ruling), RichMSN (Owns Layne)
Quality of Correctness has been affirmed, 5-0.
JeremyJ
I understand what you mean also but if you do that then I garentee that every singal ejection would be challenged not just 99% of them. How are you suposed to judge a call that can go "either way"? Just because the announcer say it could go either way doesnt mean it actually could. I do get what you are saying though.
A banger play at first in a lopsided game, with a defense that looked more like a soccer than baseball team. Anyone who has made a similar call and believes they got it right isn't going to take a lot of heat. He may look at the replays after the game and think Jeez I missed it, but I doubt it will affect his sleep tonight. Anyone who has been in a similar situation(as I believe a lot of the anonymous posters havent) would echo my sentiment. If you let a play like this affect your outlook on the job, it's time to take off the uniform for good. Mr. Layne will be accepting the lineups from Mr. Bochy tomorrow night, and I suspect that it will be behind both of them. They are both PROFESSIONALS at what they do. I have to agree with the opinion that Bochy had had enough of the night very early and probably told Layne that he wasn't leaving until Jerry ordered him to. Jerry obliged, listened while Bruce probably recommended a good restaurant, and retired to the clubhouse. He can't leave of his own voalition, so his problem was solved. This site has become so nit picky that it is not that pleasurable to view anymore. I have to agree with Jeremy J, that the secret to winning this season would be to pick 4 guys who have infrequent ejections. My crew doesn't have a lot of points, but I don't really care. I chose 4 guys who I would like to see on a crew, because it would be fun to watch them work. Isn't that what this site and the game is supposed to be all about? This is probably going to show up as anonymous but this is Spen1222 who can't figure out a posting screwup
How about that it worked!
spen1222
No big deal but I just wanted to point out that Im the one that said we should draft 4 guys with infrequent ejections. I agree 100% with you on how the site has become very nit picky. Thats because non umpire fans have found out about the site which as made it less enjoyable. I wish those people would just stay on mlb and espn.com
To make matters worse they just lost Melky Cabrera for the season because of a failed drug test
joe maddon jus got heaved by rob drake while his team has not gotten on base by felix hernandez
While the call wasn't correct, it wasn't a bad or egregious call either. Sometimes, it happens.
I wonder what Bochy said that got him out quickly. But, then again, he was lucky to be in the clubhouse watching Nick at Nite or something better than that game on the clubhouse TV.
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