HP Umpire Marty Foster ejected Red Sox pitcher Kyle Weiland and Red Sox Manager Terry Francona for throwing at Orioles batter Vladimir Guerrero in the top of the 5th inning and Orioles pitcher Michael Gonzalez and Orioles Manager Buck Showalter for throwing at Red Sox batter David Oritz in the bottom of the 6th inning of the Orioles-Red Sox game. Prior to the Weiland and Francona ejections, with none out and one on, Guerrero took a 1-1 fastball for a hit by pitch. Replays indicate Guerrero got hit by the pitch in the hands, the call was correct.* Prior to the Gonzalez and Showalter ejections, with two out and none on, Ortiz took an 0-1 fastball for a ball. Replays indicate the pitch was behind Ortiz's back, the call was correct.* At the time of all four ejections, the Red Sox were leading, 7-6. The Red Sox ultimately won the contest, 8-6.
These are Marty Foster (60)'s first, second, third, and fourth ejections of 2011.
Marty Foster now has 16 points in the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League (0 Previous + 2*[2 MLB + 2 Correct Call] + 2*[2 MLB + 2 Correct Call] = 16)
Marty Foster was not drafted in 2011.
*These call are correct per UEFL Rule 6.b.ii.e.
These are the 116th, 117th, 118th, and 119th ejections of 2011.
These are the 55th and 56th player ejections of 2011.
These are the 57th and 58th Manager ejections of 2011.
Prior to his ejection, Weiland's line was 4 IP+ and 6 ER.
Prior to his ejection, Gonzalez's line was .2 IP and 0 ER.
This is Kyle Weiland's first career ejection and his Major League Baseball debut. He is the first pitcher to be ejected in his ML debut since Nationals pitcher John Lannan was in 2007.
This is Michael Gonzalez's second ejection of 2011.
This is Terry Francona's third ejection of 2011.
This is Buck Showalter's first ejection of 2011.
Wrap: Orioles at Red Sox 7/10/11 Wrap
Video (1): Four more Ejections in Boston
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16837495&query=%26game_pk%3D288262
ReplyDeleteJust one video covers both sets of ejections:
ReplyDeletehttp://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16850001
I understand the rules of this board consider the ejections automatically "correct," but neither the HBP of Youkilis that led to warnings being issued, nor the HBP of Guerrero that led to the first two ejections seemed to be intentional by any stretch of the imagination.
The pitch thrown behind Ortiz, on the other hand, was definitely intentional.
Don't really know how you throw at a guy intentionally with a guy on and a one-run game, but maybe Foster knows something I don't...
ReplyDeleteIn an unrelated note, for those of you "has to get out of the way at all costs" guys, what do you think of this one: http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16830149
Friday's brawl led to the quick warnings, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteThis has got to be addressed in the off-season. How could Foster's judgement, which made no sense, be any different than say, Cuzzi's judgement on the check swing call on Gaby Sanchez two weeks ago? If Foster gets a pass for his ``judgement'' for the correct call, then it should apply to check swing calls as well.
ReplyDeleteThere was no way that the Boston set of ejections in this game were correct, given the score, the pitch itself and the fact it was a guy struggling to hold on through five innings in his first major league start. Even the HBP which caused the warning was on a changeup that seemed to sting the catcher more on the deflection off of the batter.
Because these calls are basically two-fers (player and manager go), there's too much at stake for the rule stay as is in 2012.
Personally, I've always felt these beanball ejections should carry no points in the league. There's no way to call them incorrect and they carry way too much weight. The leader in the league has benefitted from carrying Jim Joyce and the beanball ejections from the opening week of the season.
ReplyDeleteGiven that Whalen didn't have the greatest command all game I think his ejection was a bit overzealous on Fosters part. The ball behind Ortiz was obvious and that ejection was warranted.
ReplyDeleteI also like anonymous 6:47PM's point about the points for bean ball ejections...With that it could be argued that the Whalen/Francona ejection could be ruled as "Incorrect" since it wasn't obvious that it was intentional(and sure didn't look intentional,given Whalen's performance) but I think that might cause too much debate doing that.
If the situation didn't make sense when the HBP happened, and you wanted to not get ejected, but still hit someone................ c'mon! wake up! How else better to hide in plane sight? Not all intentional HBP happen right after a homerun, or the next half inning. It may be 2 seasons later!
ReplyDeleteRelax all you arm chair umpires. The guy had 2 seconds to decide, plus if you factor the previous fight, your argument about the HBP not being intentional is moot. He started that pitch on the inner half, and he knew full well the ball would move towards the batter. My gosh you guys, he's a big league pitcher. He also knows he cannot start the pitch directly at the batter without getting ejected. The only hope was to accidentally on purpose hit him. I can't believe people can be so naive.
ReplyDeleteAs an ex-Milb umpire, when we kept track of ejections we never counted throwing situations. That would definitely make your dilemma a lot easier.
ReplyDeleteWell, the rule on the Milb fantasy site shouldn't count them then, this is MLB.
ReplyDeleteOn that note, I would absolutely love a Milb fantasy site!!! The more ejections, the merrier!
ReplyDeletePlus, those Milb skippers are great actors!
To the 9:30 poster:
ReplyDeleteI happened to be watching the game, which I doubt that you were. If in Foster's mind he's considering the context of what happened earlier in the weekend, then you also have to think in the context that the ``offending'' pitcher was trying to make it through the fifth inning of his first major league start (the fact he he had given up six runs yet was in line for a W if he made it through the fifth tells you that he hardly had the greatest command).
The warning that Foster called on Guthrie from the Orioles to get everything started was also an overreaction. It was on a changeup in a score/count situation that didn't call for him to hit someone. Even the Red Sox announcers were saying it was not warranted in that situation.
Again here I come with my "that's not in the rules" statement:
ReplyDeletePutting myself in the umpire's shoes, if I'm behind the plate in an a game right after a fight occurred, between the same two teams that are playing that night, the first person to step even accidentally out of line is showering early - I'm not gonna let another fight erupt cause I sat there and did nothing and said "oh, I don't think he didn't hit him on purpose."
It amazes me how naive some of the people that comment on this site are. In this type of a situation the "intent" does not matter...its the potential after effects if nobody gets run. Taking into account the previous incidents from this series I don't care what the score is, how many runners on base there are...if you have issued warnings and a guy gets hit on the hand by an inside fastball, he's done. No questions asked. If Marty doesn't run him right there, there will almost certainly be another brawl in this game. You could see the Vlad's reaction and you had better believe the rest of the O's bench felt the same way. Great job by Marty in preventing another potential debacle.
ReplyDeleteA warning can never be an OVEREACTION. A warning is given if the umpire isn't sure if the action was intentional. Follow? Huh?
ReplyDeleteI've actually given both benches warnings, and then had a HBP 4 innings later that did not result in an ejection.
MLB has announced the following fines and suspensions related to July 8/9/10's incidents:
ReplyDeleteRed Sox DH David Ortiz: 4 Game Suspension / Undisclosed Fine
Orioles P Kevin Gregg: 4 Game Suspension / Undisclosed Fine
Red Sox C Jarrod Saltalamacchia: Undisclosed Fine
Orioles P Jim Johnson: Undisclosed Fine
Red Sox P John Lackey: Undisclosed Fine
Orioles P Mike Gonzalez: 3 Game Suspension / $1,500 Fine
Orioles Manager Buck Showalter: 1 Game Suspension / Undisclosed Fine