These are Angel Campos (84)'s first and second ejections of 2011.
Angel Campos now has -4 points in the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League (0 Previous + 3 AAA - 1 Penalty - 4 Incorrect Call + 3 AAA - 1 Penalty - 4 Incorrect Call = -4).
Angel Campos was undrafted in 2011.
These are the 45th and 46th ejections of 2011.
This is the 20th player ejection of 2011.
This is the 24th Manager ejection of 2011.
This is Ned Yost's first ejection of 2011.
Prior to his ejection, Treanor was 1-3 in the contest.
Wrap: Cardinals at Royals, 5/22/11 Wrap
Video (1): Treanor and Yost are ejected by Campos
Video (2): Yost discusses his ejection
Pitch f/x courtesy Brooks Baseball
31 comments :
Wow. I know you can't argue B/S, and we don't know exactly what was said, but this seems a bit extreme compared to most. Treanor seems to say a bit, then Campos got in front of Treanor after the walk under the guise of wiping the plate. The discussion didn't seem to be heated by any means, and both go back behind the plate. Words are still being said, w/ Treanor not even facing Campos, and goes back to being a catcher with probably some "last words". Then BAM, "you're gone".
While we won't know what was said, they were certainly the last straw for him, body actions were some of the most professional you'll see.
Oh and guess what crew this was... TA DA.
Man! Next year when we get crew division, everyone's going to be choosing this crew! You don't even have to be a full time member of that crew, if you work with them, you eject!
Crew Division?
Until 2008, the UEFL had a crew division (which by chance is still part of the UEFL Rulebook). Crew basically worked in this way: The Crew draft was much like the draft of Primary Umpires; you picked a crew (Crew A, B, etc.) based on a posted Crew Roster. Throughout the season, for every ejection logged to your crew, you would receive a certain number of points (I believe the conversion was two crew ejections per league point). At the end of the season, your crew points total was added to your other points to give a total league score. AAA Fill-In ejections were attributed based on the crew the AAA was working with at the time of ejection. I'm hoping to reintroduce the Crew Division functionality for 2012, with perhaps a different points attribution (so as to diminish the effect of a large ejection differential... like we currently have between the crew referenced in this post and the rest of the league's crews).
What takes MLB so long to post these ejections? They get their must c ground rule doubles up that mean nothing, but wait till the next day or never to post the ejections? Why?
Video is in: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15095195
Oh yes! A JOE WEST SIGHTING!
Can you explain what the -1 penalty stands for?
Under UEFL Rule 4.a (League Scoring), AAA Umpires are awarded 3 points for every ejection (as opposed to 2 points for MLB Umpires). The rationale behind this is to give the AAA Umpires, who presumably spend less time at the ML Level, a bonus point to reward their work while acknowledging their fill-in status. Accordingly, the bonus point is removed (and they receive 2 points, like their MLB counterparts) in the event of an ejection resulting from an incorrect call. The rationale here is an Umpire should not be rewarded for an incorrect call. This is the reason for the -1 Penalty notation, and is also the reason Todd Tichenor, although AAA in official classification, is considered MLB for the purposes of scoring in the UEFL.
Not a good day for Angel Campos.
Although, as was stated above, we don't know what was said between him and the catcher. Somehow, I don't think Matt Treanor was asking him about the weather. Bad call or not, you're not allowed to argue balls and strikes, though most umpires do seem to allow the type of conversation that was going on here, as long as the catcher doesn't turn around.
I guess Joe West didn't feel like being a human barricade today.
@Dan:
So catchers aren't allowed to comment to themselves about the strike zone because they might hurt the home plate umpire's feelings? Provided the catcher isn't letting loose profanity or interrupting the flow of the game, I wouldn't necessarily call it arguing.
Comment to themselves? Well, not if they want to stay in the game.
Same as coaches/managers who will complain about something and then when the umpire addresses it says, "I was talking to my player." Like that makes it more likely they won't get ejected.
Hey, here's an idea. Just shut up and catch the baseball.
Here's another idea: If you miss a call, just admit it. Here's another: If you can't take the heat from a catcher or manager, you shouldn't be an umpire. All you umpire apologists are pathetic. Yeah, they're human and make bad calls. But some are just piss-poor umpires. And this crew is a piss-poor crew.
Like the commentators said, this looks a lot like the ass-chewing that callup gave Jason Kendall in KC last year. What is it about KC?
I notice that the Royals pitchers were credited with 13(!) walks, including 8 by that point in the game and 5 to Colby Rasmus. That's the kind of thing that's going to be commented on. It's surprising that Yost wasn't already all over Campos.
"I guess Joe West didn't feel like being a human barricade today." Joe did exactly that. The difference is that when Campos walked away, Yost turned his attention to West instead of trying to force his way past West to continue a losing conversation.
I love how, in the post-game comments, Yost says that managers try to go easy on call-ups, because new guys don't need all that abuse. Somehow I'm not buying it.
And did you see how Yost's bench coach went after Campos over Gerald Laird's HBP? That wasn't taking it easy on the new guy. Given earlier events, kinda surprised he stayed in.
I love the audio..The royals and the marlins are the best stadiums for TV ejections because the microphones pick up everything.
That announcer needs to study the other Major League managers names
A commentary on this ejection. This nails it as far as I'm concerned. You umpire apologists should read this:
http://thebaseballcodes.com/2011/05/22/young-umps-at-it-again-royals-catcher-tossed-for-no-good-reason/
@Anonymous, show me in the rulebook the "umpire's code" that makes it okay for a catcher to argue balls and strikes. I don't believe for a second that Treanor didn't argue balls and strikes. On this site, even, we had a play a few weeks ago where a player said "I didn't say X", and sure enough, there was a video up, and what did the player say? "X"
"Apologists"? What a load of crap!
Umpiring, and officiating in general, is hard. Really hard. And it's thankless. Even if you do a perfect job, someone still thinks you're wrong, and blames their losing effort on you instead of their own failure.
So we're not "apologists'. We're the few defenders that umpires have, the few who will look at a performance objectively, who will walk into the conversation not already hating the umpire for just existing.
Oh, I should heed a commentary from some blogger Royals fan?
What if Treanor told Campos, "You f#$%ing suck" as he was facing forward? How does that square with your little code?
Yost was a loser in Milwaukee, he's a loser retread in KC. How do guys like THAT keep getting work?
LOL that artical is a joke. If you have never umpired before stop acting like you know every thing an umpire should do. Its insulting.
Campos according to this http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?month=5&day=22&year=2011&game=gid_2011_05_22_slnmlb_kcamlb_1%2F&prevDate=522
only mised 14 strikes for balls i'm not sure how that ranks but he had a lot of pitches to call.. certainly missing over 20 pitches isn't great but i took a small sample of 3 other umpires that day and they averaged 17 missed with much fewer pitches to call. To think Bob Davidson only missed 16 pitches on the normalized chart... sigh
Maybe somebody with a little more knowledge could tell me what the average missed pitches per game is
Tmac, the league average for the past few years has been around 94-95% accuracy at the dish. Campos was around 89-90% for this contest.
The pitch might have been a strike according to the chart but very few umps will call that a strike. Treanor was set up low and away and the pitch comes high and inside. If he calls that a strike we might have seen it as the ejection of Rasmus and La Russa.
And highschoolump makes a great point -- and this is why computers will never call balls and strikes. A pitcher missing his spot that badly will not get the call and nobody actually involved with the game would want that called a strike. Of course this fantasy league will say the call is "incorrect" but real umpires know better.
"Of course this fantasy league will say the call is "incorrect" but real umpires know better."
The ball crossed the plate in the zone defined by the rule book. Let's not get into this whole "the rule book strike zone isn't the whole truth" nonsense again. News for you: The same chart this site and other pitch f/x sites on the internet use - the same exact chart with the same exact data? Yeah, that's the same stuff that MLB uses to evaluate their umpires. WHen Campos gets his postgame performance about this game, this pitch will show up as INCORRECT, just as it appears on the chart here and everywhere else.
And this is why they don't expect umpires to be 100% perfect. Some pitches just shouldn't be strikes, period.
I'd love to see computers replace umpires. The players and teams would revolt and we'd be back to human umpires in a hurry. Pitch f/x is interesting, nothing more.
You guys ever see that broadcast a few weeks ago where they had their K-Zone or whatever on TV (you want to talk about a computer zone being inaccurate, I present to you the static boundaries of the K-Zone!) - KZone shows the pitch clearly at the bottom of the zone, the guy is punched out, and the announcer says, "even though the computer shows it's a strike, that was not a strike."
Computers should not and can not replace umpires. Even if the computers are more accurate, etc., it just shouldn't happen. Baseball is a very "mood" oriented game and computers destroy the mood. They're fun for analysis postgame, but that's it really. During the game, they only should be there for the most black/white situations... like a foulpole home run issue...
As CSAD said, League average is 94-95%. Campos was only 89-90%. I'd say that's significantly lower when he is twice as inaccurate as the average plate job.
IF Treanor said any magic words then, yes, he should've been launched. Treanor says he didn't.
Regardless, I don't like umps showing up players any more than I like players showing up umps. It works both ways. Some umps will absolutely refuse to admit they blew a call (see Bob Davidson), and those are the guys I'm sick of.
From the video, it appeared to me that Treanor asked Campos a question, then kept bugging him when he wouldn't answer, throwing in an expletive on the last one.
Seen Campos before behind the plate in AAA. Misses strikes and has a short fuse. Definitely not Major League material. Had to let Joe West handle the manager. Weak.
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