2B Umpire Adrian Johnson ejected Mets Manager Terry Collins for arguing an out call in the bottom of the 6th inning of the Yankees-Mets game. With two out and one on, Mets baserunner R2 Ruben Tejada was picked
off by Yankees pitcher Hiroki Kuroda. Replays indicate shortstop Reid Brignac successfully tagged Tejada while Tejada was not in contact with second base, the safe-turned-out call was correct. At the time of the ejection, the Yankees were leading, 1-0. The Mets ultimately won the contest, 2-1.
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| Collins tossed after animated discussion. |
This is Adrian Johnson (80)'s first ejection of 2013.
Adrian Johnson now has 4 points in the UEFL (0+2+2=4).
Crew Chief Fieldin Culbreth now has 1 point in the Crew Division (0 Previous + 1 Correct Call = 1).
This is the 47th ejection of 2013.
This is the 23rd Manager ejection of 2013.
This the Mets' third ejection of 2013, 1st in the NL East (NYM 3; PHI, WAS 2; ATL 1; MIA 0).
This is the 47th ejection of 2013.
This is the 23rd Manager ejection of 2013.
This the Mets' third ejection of 2013, 1st in the NL East (NYM 3; PHI, WAS 2; ATL 1; MIA 0).
This is Terry Collins' first ejection since May 20 (Tom Hallion; QOC = U).
This is Adrian Johnson's first ejection since May 24, 2011 (Ryan Braun; QOC = Y).
26 comments :
Isn't this obstruction...if i remember correctly, when it is a pick off play the rule of: 'in the act of fielding the ball' does not apply and that the defender would actually have to have possession of the ball before blocking the bag....
he doesn't actually impede Tejada from reaching the base until he actually has possession of the ball and was in the act of fielding the ball when he was dropping to his knee to block the base. no obstruction here.
Was Johnson signalling safe as in Tejada got back to the bag or safe as in no interference?
Terry Collins looks familiar here... no wonder we haven't seen him and Larry Vanover in the same room at the same time...
Terrible mechanics..... Timing is everything.. let the play happen..... make a call... very tough to do.... In this case it leads to a needless EJ.... Slow down.... see the play... call it. and don't anticipate as it leads to quick timing.
In my opinion, Adrian should get no points for this EJ. His own screw up lead to the ejection and he gets 4 points out of the deal.
This is kind of like year's Atlanta ejection all over again for Terry Colins, just in a different way. I know the UEFL is all about the ejection itself, but there's something wrong with the rules when a mistake is what leads to the ejection, and not the play itself. Does anyone think Collins would have flipped out like he did if Johnson had just given an initial out call? He went ballistic because of the safe, then out call. There's no doubt that Johnson was ultimately correct, but on an UEFL level, it's a cheap way to get points.
I'm going to challenge the ruling. I think Collins's ejection directly derives from Johnson's failed mechanic [hence should be QOC irrecusable] than the call itself.
according to Collins in an mlb.com article: Collins was adamant that he [tejada] can't get picked off in that situation. If Johnson hadn't changed the call like he did, Collins' frustration wouldn't have been aimed at the umpire.
There's your answer!
I was waiting for the Leyland quote during his UEFL ejection of the year a few years ago with Rapuano....."that's not f'n problem, you called him safe!"
The mechanics were terrible. The only time such a mechanic is remotely OK, is if you call the guy safe, and then he overslides the bag and gets tagged again. That didn't happen here. I realize the ultimate call was correct, but how do you change your mind without a conference on a major league ballfield?
A simple fix to all these challenges would to just have umpires get the same points for ejections no matter what. Gil you are just making it harder on yourself with all the crazy rules. I'm also sick of every call being challenged although I have to agree with Ump20. If he doesn't make the safe call there is no EJ here.
I also just want to add that I really like what mlb did with there video feed pages. Looks a lot better.
Agreed. Irrecusable and Correct should receive the same number of bonus points. No extra points for a call that is inconclusive but not Irrecuasable. Negative points for Incorrect calls
I think we would be better served by a NFL-like system in which only the Appeals Board can choose to review things.
How is that an NFL-like system? Coaches have challenges.
I disagree unequivocally with this. If you start to make a safe call and then change it (w/o any apparent - that is the key - APPARENT) reason, then expect a backlash, whether or not it is warranted. AJ brought this on himself, whether or not he got the call correct. Collins did what he SHOULD have.
I agree. AJ made a mistake and Collins did what he SHOULD have, whether or not the actual call was erroneous.
If I were Collins, I probably would have taken some more time with my base-kicking in tribute to Lou Pinella! LOL
Here's my theory: Note how Tejada's arm gets blocked on its way to the base. AJ is screened from seeing the arm, and he assumes (incorrectly) that it got to the base before the tag was applied. Or maybe he sees something just past the defender's ankle for a split second, thinking it's Tejada's arm. Upon the defender getting up and moving , AJ notices that the arm did not, in fact, reach the bag, and changes his call.
All in all, poor mechanics, but he got it right in the end.
Tmac, for someone who claims to have as many friends in professional baseball and also thinks he knows so much, you sure do like to run your mouth about professional umpires. Easy to sit here and say that he should slow down, see the play, blah blah blah. If you made it as far as you say, then you should know that mistakes like this happen to even the best umpires. Stop badgering them and support them, there are enough haters already.
As is the case with most of my writings on here.... I am trying to help the amateur umpire.... This site in its infancy was littered with lots of aspiring umpires and more amateur.... My hope is to help with instruction for those people. I'm sorry you disagree with my opinion on how to mechanicly get the call right and stay out of trouble. Perhaps you have some insight as to how to how to avoid situations like this.
Oooh of course! How could Adrian be so ignorant of the rules???? Here I even looked it ,up for everyone!
Rule 6.01(Nothing) "When it is a pick off play the rule of: 'in the act of fielding the ball' does not apply and that the defender would actually have to have possession of the ball before blocking the bag. "
Thanks Ryan!
Bad mechanics; Good call
I personally think it's refreshing that an umpire can actually be objective around here. Way too many biased people throwing around the terms "rat", "plumber", etc.
Kudos to you, tmac.
In re 047 Johnson 1
After review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed in a unanimous 4-0-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Four Appeals Board members voted to confirm the Original Ruling.
Majority Opinion, RichMSN:
Confirmed. The call was, in the end, correct. And the fact that Johnson corrected himself excuses Collins for completely losing it and getting himself run? Really? It wasn't even close after looking at it on replay.
You can see Collins telling AJ that he "can't change his call." Of course he can. And he did.
Concurring Opinion, tmac:
Confirm.... As I recall the Dale scott Triple play to which I believed incorrect mechanics put one team at a disadvantage. This clearly is not the case here. Johnson makes a correct call and despite the complex way to get there he puts neither team in jeopardy!
Concurring Opinion, Turducken:
Confirm, but not because I want to. The ejection's not over the call. The ejection's over that he called him safe and then out. But the rules don't let me vote that way. Johnson got the call correct. Collins isn't arguing the call; he's arguing that he changed the call. Sure he knows that he can change the call, but you know that's he out there with the mindset that if you called him safe, he should be safe.. Yes, he loses his shit. Deserved ejection. But if he doesn't call him safe before he calls him out, there's no argument. Frustration goes to Tejada, who shouldn't have gotten picked off there. I'm in favor of the Scott Rule [that was voted down during the 2012 Rules Summit].
Concurring Opinion, BT_Blue:
I too confirm the out call was indeed correct. I also agree that the reasoning for the ejection was the double call and not the out call itself. However, as pointed out earlier, I can nit take the mechanical failure into account for QOC. So I vote to confirm the original ruling.
I would also like to see the Scott Rule (I vote it be renamed the Scott-Johnson Rule) re examined during the off season.
Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.
Confirmed: tmac, RichMSN, BT_Blue, Turducken
Upheld: -
Overturned: -
Abstained: Gil (posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (Deployment), yawetag (Vacation)
I'm not sure what you're watching, but there is a ripple on the uniform when the tag is applied, prior to Tejada arriving on 2nd base
I know it is wrong but I hate when coaches scream for both sides of an issue. For this situation, if I had Collins ever arguing about a call that he didn't like I would yell back you don't want calls changed.
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