These are Joe West (22)'s fourth and fifth ejections of 2011.
Joe West now has 9 points in the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League (2 Previous + 2 MLB + 2 Correct Call + 2 MLB + 1 Correct Call [Crewmate] = 9)
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by BONZ_kansascity, who is now in 3rd place in the UEFL with 21 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by sachmet, who is now in 5th place in the UEFL with 18 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by mtn335, who is now tied for 7th place in the UEFL with 16 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by kickersrule, who is now tied for 7th place in the UEFL with 16 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by Scumpire, who is now tied for 10th place in the UEFL with 15 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by DanNJ316, who is now tied for 10th place in the UEFL with 15 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by RichMSN, who is now tied for 12th place in the UEFL with 14 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by whenindoubt55, who is now in 14th place in the UEFL with 12 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by thexfactor264, who is now tied for 18th place in the UEFL with 9 points.
Joe West is owned as a Primary Umpire by jhagen88, who is now tied for 18th place in the UEFL with 9 points.
Joe West is owned as a Secondary Umpire by BGMTOM, who is now tied for 23rd place in the UEFL with 6 points.
*This call is correct per UEFL Rule 6.b.ii.e.
**This call is correct; pitch #8 has a normalized pz value of 1.495, which is less than the strike zone's lower bound of 1.500 feet.
These are the 108th and 109th ejections of 2011.
This is the 55th Manager ejection of 2011.
This is the 49th player ejection of 2011.
This is Leyland's second ejection of 2011.
Prior to his ejection, Verlander's line was 7.2 IP, ER.
Wrap: Tigers at Angels 7/5/11 Wrap
Video (1): Leyland is ejected by West
Video (2): DET @ LAA 7/5/11 Condensed Game (Verlander's walk and departing comments at 6:56)
Related Video: Kendrick ruled safe on infield single (2nd inning)
Pitch f/x courtesy Brooks Baseball
30 comments :
What an exciting game to attend, Joe and his crew provided plenty of drama.
First off, keep an eye on the official box score because they may change the ejection of Verlander to Angel Hernandez. When Verlander was taken out, he first yelled at Angel Hernandez who was at third base, who threw him out of the game, and then on his way to the dugout he yelled at Joe West, who had not seen Hernandez's ejection, and then tossed him too. It was quite the scene at the stadium, everybody was commenting on how he got thrown out twice.
In addition, Hernandez also tossed a Tiger from the dugout, who made the ejection gesture directed at Hernandez. It has not been reported in the official box score yet, but Angels broadcaster Victor Rojas reported it was Rick Porcello on his Twitter.
All the trouble started in the 6th inning when Angel Hernandez made Verlander change a ball because he went to his mouth. I'm assuming that it was not cold enough to permit going to your mouth, since it was in the 80s at gametime. Verlander was obviously very upset, and then when the half-inning ended, that's when Leyland was ejected by West, and why Verlander was so upset when he left the game in the 8th and started yelling at the umps. Lots of fun drama tonight at the yard.
Thanks. When researching Joe's ejection (and this is the reason for the delay we had before posting this write-up), various accounts credited an ejection to Hernandez, Rick Porcello's name came up as a 9th inning ejection, etc. etc.
So here's what we have. Our goal is to post these ejections as accurately and timely as we can; as a result, all ejections which occur during any day or evening should be posted that night. Because Quality of Correctness for West's ejections could be (and was) determined, the West ejections (4, 5) appear as finalized ejections.
This means points are attributed to West and appropriate UEFL #22 owners, and the following variables are set in stone for this ejection per UEFL Rule 6.b.: Umpire Classification, Quality of Correctness, Ejector Classification as calling (Leyland) and secondary (Verlander), Crew Chief Status, Date of Ejection. All those variables are "points-affecting" under UEFL Rule 6.b., and may only be changed by virtue of a challenge.
The following variables regarding Joe West (4, 5) are "points- in-altering," are fluid, and may be reviewed at any time without a challenge preceding such a review, per UEFL Rule 6.c: Seasonal/Player/Manager ejection number, Ejected team, Position of Ejected person, Name of Ejected person, Team W/L at time of Ejection, Runs Scored/Allowed after Ejection, Inning of Ejection, Reason for ejection, Play Result.
Ultimately, if the box score changes an existing ejection to Hernandez, Joe West (4, 5) becomes Joe West (4) and points are redistributed. If the box score adds an ejection, we'll have Angel Hernandez (5) in addition to Joe West (4, 5) and points are redistributed. As you can imagine, with all these reviewable variables subject to change without challenge, we will be watching the box score very closely these next few days.
In the condensed game it appears to show angels ejection of someone on the bench. It looks like the camera cut to him just after he ejected someone and he is then pointing out the ejected player to the pitching coach.
OK, how many ejections does this crew have? This has to be the most combative crew I've ever seen. Every one of them has a short fuse, and Joe has consistently been voted among the worst in the league by the players.
Side note on this crew...no controversy this time but during the Tuesday, June 21st game in Atlanta (Braves/Blue Jays), all but one member of this crew (Angel, who was at 3rd base) left the field at least twice to go back into the clubhouse area, momentarily delaying the start of an inning. The second time it happened, Angel was shown conversing casually with Chipper Jones as the rest of the crew emerged from the tunnel. The delay prompted Braves broadcaster Joe Simpson to wonder if the other three had eaten somewhere that Angel hadn't.
Why was the ejection of Leyland considered a correct call? I imagine Leyland was saying some unsportsmanlike things, but West walked over to the dugout looking for a fight. I would have had no problem if West made the ejection from his perch at first, but if a youth league umpire did what West did, he would be out of a job.
How is the ejection of Leyland anything but a correct call? I see absolutely no evidence to suggest it was an incorrect call, therefore, I assume, it must be correct.
If anyone read Bill White's new book (the former NL President) it has some interesting thoughts about Joe West. If there is such a thing as a crew being too strong (from a no tolerance Ejection standpoint) this one is it. West, after being mostly in control for a number of years seems to have lost his mind this year and last. He's been one of the best ball/strike guys but sadly He needs to go. In this day and age you CAN NOT go over to a dug out rile somebody up and then throw them out.
I'm not one to just say get out and i think the umpires and fans here are too reactive on umpires after a bad game or bad call but West's on field work has suffered. He missed a play at first in this game that wasn't nutcutter standard for umpires and his treatment of people is horrible. You could write a book on everything not to do by Joe in this game...
Campos actually was pretty good in this game by the charts.. yet there were 3 and possibly a 4th ejection in this game which was an uneventful 1-0 game except for a a 1st base umpire who is a drama queen.
One last thing does anyone else notice how Joe West umpires 1st with a runner on first base only or 1st and 3rd... FOr you young umpires do NOT stand in the 91 feet away from the plate and four feet in foul territory. To me it's just another hey look at me I"m Joe West. We're trying to not be noticed joe!!
Notice how much weight Joe has lost?
Don't think for 1 second that MLB doesn't know Joe draws attention to himself. Joe is still an excellent plate man, that's how he survives. MLB doesn't care what Joe does because it's baseball. We all talk about it, players talk, the hawk talks about Joe, the baseball tonite people, it's the big topic when Joe does something. But it's ok, it's baseball. Anything that steers the conversation away from the steriods issue is good for baseball.
I'd like to believe that Joe is going to retire after this year, but I'm not sure I do. Not only does Joe thrive by drawing attention to himself on the field, I think he gets off ticking off MLB brass, too. Even with a weakened union, there still is no effective way to get rid of an umpire once he's fulltime.
My initial thought when I saw how much weight Joe has lost was that he did it to save his job. Being out of shape/failing a physical is probably just about the only way to force an ump out, and he's done an end-around on them if MLB wanted to use that as the way to finally get Joe gone.
Cowboy. We all know you're constantly in need of reminding the baseball world how you run the show and how great you are, but is it asking too much for you to do this from your position out on the field and not in front of someone's dugout? I mean, has it ever occurred to you that someone else who has been around the game, say someone like Jim Leyland,.. might just take offense?
If you include Angel Campos, Joe West's crew, including Angel Hernandez, Paul Schrieber, Chad Fairchild, and Campos has 16 ejections.
West has 5, Hernandez has 4, Campos 4, Fairchild 2, and Schrieber 1.
I'm not sure where this would go, but I am curious what people thought about this call at the plate at the end of the Boston-Toronto game.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16641227&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_16641227&v=3
@David:
Watched it live and thought "he got in there but he'll call him out"...knight was blocked out and couldn't see it/wasn't even watching to see if EE's foot got around Varitek's leg
I know many don't/won't miss him,but what happened to Schrieber? He was out most of the second half of last season,and comes back for the first couple months of this season and is out again.
I'm guessing it is some sort of surgery,but does anyone know if he'll be back?
looks like schrieber's back tonight- SEA/LAA game
He didn't appear in the boxed score---Campos and Mark Ripperger did....
Not sure where to post this, but what about the balk-off Rapuano called 7/4 Royals v. White Sox? An interesting situation no doubt, and discussion on another forum seems to center around whether or not F1 was even set. Would be an interesting discussion or Case Play possibly.
A few weeks ago, we had a balk-off in Atlanta as Mets P DJ Carrasco balked to score the winning run in Braves R3 Diory Hernandez on 6/16/11. That discussion is on the UEFL as Discussions: Walk-Off.
"Controversial Umpire Crew Causing Headaches Across Baseball"...from Sports Illustrated
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_verducci/07/08/umpires.williams/index.html?cnn=yes&hpt=hp_abar
has Joe been suspended again by mlb, after his latest tirade in LA the other night he has been absent at Dodger Stadium this wknd perhaps an early all star break for vacation lol. Looks good on him. After his gettin involved with Francona earlier in Boston, the next stop the crew had was in Baltimore where ironically he was absent from that series as well... get rid of this guy he is ruining relationships between players, and coaches, and maybe perhaps other colleagues.
"Again"? Sorry, I missed the announcement of Mr. West's suspension the first time...
sorry i am just basing this on assumptions it just seems a little ironic to me that he has not done the following series' following two controversial ejections this year
Yes but leaving Angel Hernandez incharge of the crew isn't the answer either..Why not bring Bob Davidson over and really make this crew fun to watch.(Sarcasm)
But Bob Davidson is already causing his own mayhem with Hunter Wendelstedt!
Bob Davidson is 1000 times worse
Could you imagine a crew with JOE WEST (CC) Angel Hernandez, Bob Davidson, and CB Bucknor lol
We used to have 3 out of the 4...
Very late to the party here but I'm going to add my 2 cents. Verlander was tossed after he was taken out anyway for telling the umpires what he thought of how they called the game. The going to the mouth may have been part of it but the big call for both he and Leyland was a missed call by West at 1st that allowed a base runner who ultimately scored the game's only run. Not sure why he yelled at Hernandez first (did he call for the new ball?) but his argument with West was for the call at first. Leyland and West had been arguing for 4 innings about that call before Leyland got tossed. Yes, West kept going to the dugout looking for trouble but the call is still correct in that he was ejected for arguing. Same for Verlander even though the call that started it all at first base was clearly wrong.
Administrative Update: Box Score has remained the same with two ejections charged to Joe West. These ejections are now final and may not be changed from Joe West (4, 5). Points are locked.
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